Gun Control

[knapplc]

3 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

You forgot the 20 million in circulation already. 

 

They won't be in circulation if they're outlawed.

[Enhance]

The "arm everyone" argument falls flat on it's face every single time it comes under even the smallest amount of scrutiny. Activists will naturally find anecdotal evidence of an armed citizen preventing some kind of shooting incident, but those are statistical outliers and they do nothing to address the actual causes of gun violence. It's just putting fuel on the fire.

[knapplc]

I'm interested in which guns the gun advocates are willing to give up.

[Hedley Lamarr]

14 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

They won't be in circulation if they're outlawed.

They won't be turned in....

5 minutes ago, knapplc said:

I'm interested in which guns the gun advocates are willing to give up.

None is the answer. 

[knapplc]

8 minutes ago, knapplc said:

I'm interested in which guns the gun advocates are willing to give up.

 

2 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

None is the answer. 

 

And that's the problem.

[Hedley Lamarr]

1 minute ago, knapplc said:

 

 

And that's the problem.

Gun advocates dont cause mass shootings 

[knapplc]

1 minute ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

Gun advocates dont cause mass shootings 

 

Of course they do. They foster an environment where guns are easily and readily available to people who commit mass shootings.

 

"None" is not a reasonable answer in this situation. That gun advocates aren't willing to budge at all means we will continue to have mass shootings.

 

Direct cause & effect.

[Hedley Lamarr]

18 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

Of course they do. They foster an environment where guns are easily and readily available to people who commit mass shootings.

 

"None" is not a reasonable answer in this situation. That gun advocates aren't willing to budge at all means we will continue to have mass shootings.

 

Direct cause & effect.

The reason the boston marathon bombing occurred is due to readily available pressure cookers. People that cook foster an environment where pressure cookers are easily and readily available to people who commit bombings.

 

Direct cause & effect. 

 

Again we are talking about a firearm that kills on average 15 people annually. Banning AR15s will have little to no statistical difference in the amount of deaths than banning vending machines. 

[Hedley Lamarr]

Anyways I am off to make dinner. We can agree to disagree on this obviously and I hope you all have a good evening. 

[knapplc]

4 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

The reason the boston marathon bombing occurred is due to readily available pressure cookers. People that cook foster an environment where pressure cookers are easily and readily available to people who commit bombings.

 

Direct cause & effect. 

 

Again we are talking about a firearm that kills on average 15 people annually. Banning AR15s will have little to no statistical difference in the amount of deaths than banning vending machines. 

 

Where are you getting the stat that AR15s only kill 15 people per year?

[Hedley Lamarr]

6 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

Where are you getting the stat that AR15s only kill 15 people per year?

Between 2007 and 2018, 173 people were killed by mass shooters using an AR-15, according to a New York Times analysis — roughly, 15 per year. (For perspective, 13 people die per year from vending machines falling on them.) 

 

Have a good evening Knapp. 

[knapplc]

4 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

Between 2007 and 2018, 173 people were killed by mass shooters using an AR-15, according to a New York Times analysis — roughly, 15 per year. (For perspective, 13 people die per year from vending machines falling on them.) 

 

Have a good evening Knapp. 

 

So that's ONLY via mass shootings. Not counting shootings in which less than four were killed by this weapon, and not counting suicides.

 

Not a great stat to be using in an argument like this.

 

Have a good evening, too.

[Dr. Strangelove]

56 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

They won't be turned in....

None is the answer. 

Exhibit A on why our gun laws are an international embarrassment. 

 

We shouldn't argue with people like this. Progressives need to do what we've always done, pass a law and make it illegal to own guns. We'll drag you kicking and screaming to the right side of history (again).

 

Don't worry, I'm sure conservatives will find something else to tie your masculine identity to in order to garner your vote. 

[BigRedBuster]

1 hour ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

Gun advocates dont cause mass shootings 

Unfortunately, to an extent they do because they foster this gun fetish in our society. 
 

Im a gun owner.  There is a difference between being a gun owner and being obsessed with them. Unfortunately I know a lot in the last group.  

[Ratt Mhule]

Well Headley, fear not. Your guns are safe. This country will never do anything about the gun issue. Mass shootings will continue. People will bicker about it. Nothing will be done. The circle of life in America. Until it affects your family, then opinions change.