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[cm husker]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When i think regulation, i think very minimal. For example, make sure all workers are citizens.

 

I'm sure various industries have a need for some regulation so they don't end up corrupted but that's what I'm thinking about.

Why do workers need to be citizens.

Is this a serious question? Or are you being sarcastic?

Honestly... we let companies have their stuff made by 6 year olds in other countries. Is having illegal immigrant adults as employees really worse than that? IMO it's a lot less bad, but neither happening would be ideal.

 

Here's a good article on non-citizen workers:

 

http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/20/news/economy/immigration-myths/

Correct, which is why we are able to impose tariffs so our industries don't get dominated.

Our tariff rate was 1.3% in 2010. The lowest it had ever been in the U.S. since they started keeping track (1792). There is no serious attempt to keep companies from outsourcing to labor that would be illegal if it was located here.

Moraine, what products are being produced outside the US by kids younger than 14? How about you get than 10, let alone 6?

 

That's a pretty wild accusation that's not actually substantiated by fact, at least in terms of meaningful amounts of US consumer goods.

 

Also, what would be a better thing for the 8 year old in India? Starvation?

I don't think it happens widely in the past but it has in the past 35 years and we did nothing to stop it from happening or U.S. companies from profiting from it.

What's your evidence?

 

And if if true, American consumers profited from it. And guess what, after a painful period (thanks mainly to socialist policies for most of indias recent history), the conditions in India have improved to a point where child labor has been reduced significantly.

 

That's real progress. And it was driven by free trade and capitalism.

[cm husker]

 

 

 

 

 

 

When i think regulation, i think very minimal. For example, make sure all workers are citizens.

I'm sure various industries have a need for some regulation so they don't end up corrupted but that's what I'm thinking about.

Why do workers need to be citizens.

Is this a serious question? Or are you being sarcastic?

It is. Answer it. A pretty logical question at that.

Ok. Here's my answer.

 

Why would we allow pre-citizenship immigrants to be employed in the US, unless they have a green card?

So, you acknowledge that we shouldn't be limited to employing citizens.

 

Personally, I don't think we should be limited to Florida oranges and Pennsylvania steel if I can get better (quality or cost) oranges from Mexico or steel from Europe. In the same vein, I should be able to get my labor from anywhere, too.

So you're in support of reduced safety and minimum ages for workers. Because that's what you're saying when you think we should be able to get labor from anywhere.

 

Also, for the most part, products aren't made in other countries because they're higher quality than ours.

I support giving people a chance to fight their way to the level of safety and productivity that the US achieved between the late 19th and mid 20th century when it's workers weren't shackled by policies supposedly for their benefit but that were really to protect existing labor from new competition.

 

Worker safety and child welfare improves as a result of a stronger economy, not because of artificial regulations imposed in a vacuum.

 

By the way, despite the "America first" attitude, some products are actually made quite well, and even better, overseas. Just because someone is brown doesn't mean their workmanship is automatically worse.

[huskerfan2000]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When i think regulation, i think very minimal. For example, make sure all workers are citizens.

I'm sure various industries have a need for some regulation so they don't end up corrupted but that's what I'm thinking about.

Why do workers need to be citizens.

Is this a serious question? Or are you being sarcastic?

It is. Answer it. A pretty logical question at that.

Ok. Here's my answer.

 

Why would we allow pre-citizenship immigrants to be employed in the US, unless they have a green card?

So, you acknowledge that we shouldn't be limited to employing citizens.

 

Personally, I don't think we should be limited to Florida oranges and Pennsylvania steel if I can get better (quality or cost) oranges from Mexico or steel from Europe. In the same vein, I should be able to get my labor from anywhere, too.

So you're in support of reduced safety and minimum ages for workers. Because that's what you're saying when you think we should be able to get labor from anywhere.

 

Also, for the most part, products aren't made in other countries because they're higher quality than ours.

I support giving people a chance to fight their way to the level of safety and productivity that the US achieved between the late 19th and mid 20th century when it's workers weren't shackled by policies supposedly for their benefit but that were really to protect existing labor from new competition.

 

Worker safety and child welfare improves as a result of a stronger economy, not because of artificial regulations imposed in a vacuum.

 

By the way, despite the "America first" attitude, some products are actually made quite well, and even better, overseas. Just because someone is brown doesn't mean their workmanship is automatically worse.

 

 

 

My first comment is about this Trump thing.. I find it absolutely hilarious that posters say Trump will destroy this or that, but then say they will back Hillary. They act like they are so informed, but then back this woman. Hillary is just as bad, if not worse, than Trump. This election cycle is the most horrific cycle I have ever seen. The current administration is very much pro "America/Mexico" type union.

 

To the bold, it isn't about quality. "America First" is about putting America first in everything we do, as in to hell with globalization. THAT is putting America first. Built by Americans for Americans.

[cm husker]

Why would I get rid of my Japanese TV to buy a ... What tvs are made exclusively in the US at this point?

 

Nationalism like you express is short sighted, anti-free market, anti-"all men are created equal" and anti-natural rights... Pretty much everything America isn't supposed to be about.

 

Trump supporters should at least be honest about that.

[huskerfan2000]

Why would I get rid of my Japanese TV to buy a ... What tvs are made exclusively in the US at this point?

 

Nationalism like you express is short sighted, anti-free market, anti-"all men are created equal" and anti-natural rights... Pretty much everything America isn't supposed to be about.

 

Trump supporters should at least be honest about that.

 

Thus the reason Trump has grown in popularity. There are many many people in this country that don't want globalization, that want Americans to come first.

 

wow, all that from making America first. This is really a silly, silly post. Nationalism is not short sighted, or any of the other things you try hard to equate to it.

 

EDIT: That is the one thing I can agree with Trump on, but because he is a total buffoon he won't get my vote.

[funhusker]

I may need some further explanation on what many Trump supporters are calling "Nationalism" and "America First", because I keep reading these posts and coming away with the impression that we want to elect Trump to voluntarily impose trade sanctions on our own country....

[cm husker]

Trump supporters:"we want less free markets, less consumer choice and more expensive (inferior) products!"

 

 

That's a heck of a campaign platform.

 

Let me ask, why shouldn't it be "Nebraska First!" or "California First!" or "Texas First! (actually, they do believe that)"

 

Because rationally, we know that free trade among the states benefits the vast majority of Americans, whether they be east coasters, west coasters or midwesterners.

[cm husker]

I may need some further explanation on what many Trump supporters are calling "Nationalism" and "America First", because I keep reading these posts and coming away with the impression that we want to elect Trump to voluntarily impose trade sanctions on our own country....

 

 

Exactly.

 

Some don't seem to understand that if a tariff or penalty is required to "make America competitive" then that cost is inherently passed onto American consumers.

 

It's like telling everyone: you're tax rate is increasing 3% to 5%, except it's applying on top of your after tax income.

 

Can you imagine the uproar that would happen if Trump announced a 3-5% tax raise, across the board, to fund corporate welfare for American manufacturers?

[Guy Chamberlin]

 

Why would I get rid of my Japanese TV to buy a ... What tvs are made exclusively in the US at this point?

 

Nationalism like you express is short sighted, anti-free market, anti-"all men are created equal" and anti-natural rights... Pretty much everything America isn't supposed to be about.

 

Trump supporters should at least be honest about that.

 

Thus the reason Trump has grown in popularity. There are many many people in this country that don't want globalization, that want Americans to come first.

 

wow, all that from making America first. This is really a silly, silly post. Nationalism is not short sighted, or any of the other things you try hard to equate to it.

 

EDIT: That is the one thing I can agree with Trump on, but because he is a total buffoon he won't get my vote.

 

 

Agree with CM here. "America First" can have a whole lot of meanings and unintended consequences.

 

Lots of Americans benefit from globalization as both sellers and consumers. Isolationism and nationalism can and usually does hurt the nation you want to protect. And if the nation is America and you champion freedom, you're gonna have to give consumers the freedom to decide.

 

When patriotism couldn't get Americans to buy Chevys over Hondas, Detroit finally started making better cars -- about 30 years late, but still. Made In the USA had to mean something more than mere nationalism.

 

Nationalism can be extremely short-sighted. Building a 2,000 mile border wall rather than investing in American infrastructure is one good example.

 

And companies like Trump's have found you simply can't put America First when staffing your hotels, casinos, restaurants, roofing crews and farm labor. You will happily hire the same immigrants you're using for divisive political purposes.

[HuskerShark]

Nationalism doesn't mean you don't work and trade with other countries. It simply means that we don't make deals unless they are good for our country and our citizens FIRST.

 

That's all it means. And the reason Trump is gaining so many votes with that message as his main platform is because a lot of people - many of whom have been directly affected by globalization - realize that the things he's pushing for make a lot of sense, and the deals that our politicians have made with other countries for decades have hurt America socially, financially, and economically.

[huskerfan2000]

The liberals on this board are very funny! I won't defend Trump or what he is talking about, but the extreme positions being assigned to Trump is comical!

 

That Nationalism that everyone is afraid of is what made this country what it was. Globalization is what is making America a has been.

[cm husker]

Nationalism doesn't mean you don't work and trade with other countries. It simply means that we don't make deals unless they are good for our country and our citizens FIRST.

 

That's all it means. And the reason Trump is gaining so many votes with that message as his main platform is because a lot of people - many of whom have been directly affected by globalization - realize that the things he's pushing for make a lot of sense, and the deals that our politicians have made with other countries for decades have hurt America socially, financially, and economically.

 

Same difference, I'd say.

 

But let me ask a direct question based on a realistic hypothetical:

 

A company needs to buy a fleet of delivery vans. Vans made by Kia in Korea are cheaper than American made equivalents. In this situation, the American company as a consumer benefits from an open trade relationship. But, the American company car manufacturer feels pain.

 

Which American should be "put first" in this situation?

 

The wrong way that Trump and his supporters look at this is that they believe there's a way to "win" a negotiation with other countries.

The reality is, we shouldn't have our government negotiating at all. Get government out of the way of trade.

 

If we need to be creative in how we help those impacted by globalization feel less short term pain, I'm very very open to that (as I've expressed in multiple threads). But I'm not open to the notion that we should restrict trade and American consumer choices in order to clumsily protect certain American special interests.

[Moiraine]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When i think regulation, i think very minimal. For example, make sure all workers are citizens.

I'm sure various industries have a need for some regulation so they don't end up corrupted but that's what I'm thinking about.

Why do workers need to be citizens.

Is this a serious question? Or are you being sarcastic?

It is. Answer it. A pretty logical question at that.

Ok. Here's my answer.

 

Why would we allow pre-citizenship immigrants to be employed in the US, unless they have a green card?

So, you acknowledge that we shouldn't be limited to employing citizens.

 

Personally, I don't think we should be limited to Florida oranges and Pennsylvania steel if I can get better (quality or cost) oranges from Mexico or steel from Europe. In the same vein, I should be able to get my labor from anywhere, too.

So you're in support of reduced safety and minimum ages for workers. Because that's what you're saying when you think we should be able to get labor from anywhere.

 

Also, for the most part, products aren't made in other countries because they're higher quality than ours.

I support giving people a chance to fight their way to the level of safety and productivity that the US achieved between the late 19th and mid 20th century when it's workers weren't shackled by policies supposedly for their benefit but that were really to protect existing labor from new competition.

 

Worker safety and child welfare improves as a result of a stronger economy, not because of artificial regulations imposed in a vacuum.

 

By the way, despite the "America first" attitude, some products are actually made quite well, and even better, overseas. Just because someone is brown doesn't mean their workmanship is automatically worse.

The bold is f'ing hilarious. If you're talented at nothing else at least you're good at stretching things to fit your own wild imagination.

[cm husker]

Hey, you're the one who said we don't produce products in other countries because of their quality. and speaking of imagination, that claim followed on the heels of your unfounded claim that we are buying products made by 6 year olds (which you rightly backed off of).

 

Sorry if an accurate interpretation of your statements is uncomfortable to you.

[Moiraine]

Hey, you're the one who said we don't produce products in other countries because of their quality. and speaking of imagination, that claim followed on the heels of your unfounded claim that we are buying products made by 6 year olds (which you rightly backed off of).

 

Sorry if an accurate interpretation of your statements is uncomfortable to you.

It isn't at all accurate. It's a fact that for the most part we aren't outsourcing due to a higher quality of products and a f'ing huge leap to think I'm claiming that non-Whites are incapable of making good products.

 

 

In the past 35 years we've had millions of products made by young kids. This is commonly known. I don't have access to a computer right now so it's difficult for me to look up facts that you will inevitably misinterpret. This issue has only gotten much better in the past 12 years due to the increased spotlight on the problem.