Armstrong Still a Possibility for Minnesota Game

[Redux]

Glad to hear it

[huskerenner]

But if Armstrong is dizzy and has vertigo,maybe he won't pass off balance on the wrong foot.

[Magnus]

Is this similar to the injury suffered by Shavon Shields? IIRC, he was out for almost 3 weeks.

[GBRHouston]

Is this similar to the injury suffered by Shavon Shields? IIRC, he was out for almost 3 weeks.

I was at the game where Shields went down. It's not even close to the same. Tommy's is 100% concussion. Shavon was way worse.

[MichiganDad3]

I'd rather lose every remaining game than see Armstrong play a single down if he's not 100% good to go concussion wise. Ain't no kid's future worth a win or two in a game.

I agree with this. There is no need to risk a permanent injury.

[Mavric]

Sounding like there's a pretty good possibility that he will play.

 

[Cdog923]

Sounding like there's a pretty good possibility that he will play.

 

 

Sh!t. The test involves passing?

[RunMickeyRun02]

I hope Armstrong goes to classes, movies, restaurants, having sex, etc with bubble wrap wrapped around his head

LMAO

[admo]

 

Sounding like there's a pretty good possibility that he will play.

 

 

Sh!t. The test involves passing?

 

[admo]

I really hope he gets cleared. Need him ready to go. Need him for the game

[84HuskerLaw]

 

 

If Armstrong is cleared to play, Fyfe still starts and will play until Minnesota causes him to turn it over twice. Then Tommy comes in.

As I posted in your status update, there's no way you can do that as a coach. If TA can play he starts. If he can't start he doesn't play. Why? Because if he can't start it means he can't play. There's no gray area in concussions. Either you are cleared or you aren't.

 

This ^

 

I would counter though that even IF he has been cleared to play by the doctors, I would say one can err on the side of caution by saying we will play him only if it becomes necessary such as an injury to Fyfe or something of that sort. I think the coaches should keep him out unless he has been fully cleared health and safety wise AND the coaches feel it is critical to the success of the team. After all, it is not just Tommy Armstrong who is largely invested (money, career, emotionally, etc etc) in the success of the team. All the other players' futures can be adversely impacted by the lack of success of the team in this and all future games. Some of the other players have NFL hopes and so on that could suffer with another awful performance. If he is healthy and the team truly needs him to do his part of the deal as a teammate, then he should play but if Fyfe or other teammates can adequately perform in his stead, then being unduly cautious is right.

[307husker]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If Armstrong is cleared to play, Fyfe still starts and will play until Minnesota causes him to turn it over twice. Then Tommy comes in.

As I posted in your status update, there's no way you can do that as a coach. If TA can play he starts. If he can't start he doesn't play. Why? Because if he can't start it means he can't play. There's no gray area in concussions. Either you are cleared or you aren't.

I understand if he's cleared he can play.

But, if he is just skating past the line to play they may consider letting him sit unless actually needed to get the win. Why risk longer term injury against Minnesota if we don't have to? Maybe he's cleared, but he isn't playing well enough to start yet from some lingering effects. It's just not that black and white.

Actually, concussion protocol is pretty black and white. Either he's cleared to play or he's not.

The point being made is that even if he passes the protocol - there could be reason to still hold him out, unless they decide they need him for the win at some point during the game.

If he passes the protocol he starts. I see no reason to even contemplate sitting him "unless needed". What would that reason be?

If he has some lingering fatigue or vertigo/dizzyness. If he isn't cleared before he can practice at all, how do they know what his actual status is? Or say he gets cleared tomorrow, then during practice it's clear he isn't all there yet.

 

This just isn't how the concussion protocol works. He will not have any symptoms if he is cleared through the protocol. I don't know why people aren't listening or reading the link from Sam McKewon's tweet.

 

If he is cleared, he is good to go 100%. There is no other way to do it in concussion protocol. I don't know how much clearer the multiple posters in this thread can make this.

 

"If he is cleared, he is good to go 100%."

 

This statement is somewhat naive.

 

Yes, the protocol is binary, pass or fail. However, the symptomatic data used to arrive at that binary decision, is subjective and relies upon the report of symptoms by an extremely competitive individual in a culture that values toughness. See where the problem may lie? Think a patient/player may lie in order to get past the protocol? It's not like it's hard to figure out what the "right" answers are to their questions.

 

Determining pass/fail takes a bit more interpretation than you seem to understand.

 

I'll trust the doctors to make the best decision that they can, with the information that they have.

[Mavric]

 

[Redux]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If Armstrong is cleared to play, Fyfe still starts and will play until Minnesota causes him to turn it over twice. Then Tommy comes in.

 

As I posted in your status update, there's no way you can do that as a coach. If TA can play he starts. If he can't start he doesn't play. Why? Because if he can't start it means he can't play. There's no gray area in concussions. Either you are cleared or you aren't.

I understand if he's cleared he can play.

But, if he is just skating past the line to play they may consider letting him sit unless actually needed to get the win. Why risk longer term injury against Minnesota if we don't have to? Maybe he's cleared, but he isn't playing well enough to start yet from some lingering effects. It's just not that black and white.

Actually, concussion protocol is pretty black and white. Either he's cleared to play or he's not.

The point being made is that even if he passes the protocol - there could be reason to still hold him out, unless they decide they need him for the win at some point during the game.

If he passes the protocol he starts. I see no reason to even contemplate sitting him "unless needed". What would that reason be?

If he has some lingering fatigue or vertigo/dizzyness. If he isn't cleared before he can practice at all, how do they know what his actual status is? Or say he gets cleared tomorrow, then during practice it's clear he isn't all there yet.

This just isn't how the concussion protocol works. He will not have any symptoms if he is cleared through the protocol. I don't know why people aren't listening or reading the link from Sam McKewon's tweet.

 

If he is cleared, he is good to go 100%. There is no other way to do it in concussion protocol. I don't know how much clearer the multiple posters in this thread can make this.

"If he is cleared, he is good to go 100%."

This statement is somewhat naive.

 

Yes, the protocol is binary, pass or fail. However, the symptomatic data used to arrive at that binary decision, is subjective and relies upon the report of symptoms by an extremely competitive individual in a culture that values toughness. See where the problem may lie? Think a patient/player may lie in order to get past the protocol? It's not like it's hard to figure out what the "right" answers are to their questions.

Determining pass/fail takes a bit more interpretation than you seem to understand.

I'll trust the doctors to make the best decision that they can, with the information that they have.

Thank you ^

[RunMickeyRun02]

fwiw. My gut is telling me Tommy will play. I know it's a little late in the game to make that prediction but that was how I felt from the get go.