Lamar Jackson (Louisville)

[MyBloodIsRed16]

They have run and shoot tendencies as well

[Redux]

 

 

Lots of misunderstanding about the WCO out there. It was never an "air raid" offense. It was actually Bill Walsh's alternative to Don Coryell's air raid offense. Given a quarterback with a weak arm, Walsh designed an offense that took advantage of short, high-percentage passes to spread the field and open up vertical rushing and passing lanes. It had a bigger playbook, but that was the idea: defenses couldn't line up against your bread & butter play because you had too many of them. There was no rule you couldn't run the ball in the WCO. You'd run like crazy if the defense allowed it. But you'd also consider a 5 yard pass to your RB the equivalent of a 5 yard run because you weren't keeping some weird score about the run/pass ratio.

 

The concept may have seemed sophisticated but the plays themselves were all about efficiency. And maybe a little playground ball. If you have a fullback out there doing lead blocks, design a play that lets him keep going into the secondary and throw a deep ball to Tom Rathman. Why not? Walsh loved Nebraska players because they knew how to block and they thrived in the WCO.

 

The WCO was in vogue for 20 years. These days nobody runs it and everybody runs it because a lot of the WCO innovations have merely been absorbed in other offenses like the spread.

 

Actually, the WCO was designed to give lesser talent a strategic advantage.

Take your information and knowledge and geeeet out! It's WAY easier to assume WCO is only about throwing 80% of the time for long gains!

I'm not saying that Guy is wrong in his post, but Gruden and Callahan utilized the vertical passing game more in Oakland than a conventional west coast offense would.

It's not about throwing 80% of the time, it's about balance for the sake of balance even when you don't have to have that balance. We see that with our current OC.

And if you read his post you would understand the WCO is more about horizontal/slant passes for short gains than it is down field passes for big gains.

[jaws]

 

 

 

LET'S RILE SOME PEOPLE UP!!

 

Just thought it was worth noting for people who don't follow recruiting or just started recently:

 

Lamar Jackson had us in his final two in 2014. We fired our head coach. He goes to Louisville.

 

Hindsight is 20/20...

 

Sorry, but you're full of sh#t. He visited here, and chose Louisville well before Bobo was fired. Bobo and Timmy Beck had Kevin Dillman as their QB, who struggled at the JV level in Texas as a senior, and ended up signing with North Texas as a TE. You want to get some people riled up, let's talk about Bobo and Timmy never offering NU legacy Joe Burrow, who will likely be tOSU's starting QB next year.

 

Beck helped Burrow land at OSU but I doubt he starts next year unless he beats out JT Barrett. Burrow will be fighting for the starting job in 2018 with Haskins and Martell.

 

IIRC he decommitted or almost decommitted when Beck was hired, and Urban went and ensured he would stay. I could swear that this was the case.

 

 

You are right, he was committed before Herman left OSU. Beck and Meyer met with him after Beck was hired and Burrow reaffirmed his commitment to OSU. Either way I don't see him starting next year unless someone in front of him gets hurt.

 

[cornstar]

 

 

 

Lots of misunderstanding about the WCO out there. It was never an "air raid" offense. It was actually Bill Walsh's alternative to Don Coryell's air raid offense. Given a quarterback with a weak arm, Walsh designed an offense that took advantage of short, high-percentage passes to spread the field and open up vertical rushing and passing lanes. It had a bigger playbook, but that was the idea: defenses couldn't line up against your bread & butter play because you had too many of them. There was no rule you couldn't run the ball in the WCO. You'd run like crazy if the defense allowed it. But you'd also consider a 5 yard pass to your RB the equivalent of a 5 yard run because you weren't keeping some weird score about the run/pass ratio.

 

The concept may have seemed sophisticated but the plays themselves were all about efficiency. And maybe a little playground ball. If you have a fullback out there doing lead blocks, design a play that lets him keep going into the secondary and throw a deep ball to Tom Rathman. Why not? Walsh loved Nebraska players because they knew how to block and they thrived in the WCO.

 

The WCO was in vogue for 20 years. These days nobody runs it and everybody runs it because a lot of the WCO innovations have merely been absorbed in other offenses like the spread.

 

Actually, the WCO was designed to give lesser talent a strategic advantage.

Take your information and knowledge and geeeet out! It's WAY easier to assume WCO is only about throwing 80% of the time for long gains!

I'm not saying that Guy is wrong in his post, but Gruden and Callahan utilized the vertical passing game more in Oakland than a conventional west coast offense would.

It's not about throwing 80% of the time, it's about balance for the sake of balance even when you don't have to have that balance. We see that with our current OC.

And if you read his post you would understand the WCO is more about horizontal/slant passes for short gains than it is down field passes for big gains.

I

[cornstar]

 

 

 

 

Lots of misunderstanding about the WCO out there. It was never an "air raid" offense. It was actually Bill Walsh's alternative to Don Coryell's air raid offense. Given a quarterback with a weak arm, Walsh designed an offense that took advantage of short, high-percentage passes to spread the field and open up vertical rushing and passing lanes. It had a bigger playbook, but that was the idea: defenses couldn't line up against your bread & butter play because you had too many of them. There was no rule you couldn't run the ball in the WCO. You'd run like crazy if the defense allowed it. But you'd also consider a 5 yard pass to your RB the equivalent of a 5 yard run because you weren't keeping some weird score about the run/pass ratio.

 

The concept may have seemed sophisticated but the plays themselves were all about efficiency. And maybe a little playground ball. If you have a fullback out there doing lead blocks, design a play that lets him keep going into the secondary and throw a deep ball to Tom Rathman. Why not? Walsh loved Nebraska players because they knew how to block and they thrived in the WCO.

 

The WCO was in vogue for 20 years. These days nobody runs it and everybody runs it because a lot of the WCO innovations have merely been absorbed in other offenses like the spread.

 

Actually, the WCO was designed to give lesser talent a strategic advantage.

Take your information and knowledge and geeeet out! It's WAY easier to assume WCO is only about throwing 80% of the time for long gains!

I'm not saying that Guy is wrong in his post, but Gruden and Callahan utilized the vertical passing game more in Oakland than a conventional west coast offense would.

It's not about throwing 80% of the time, it's about balance for the sake of balance even when you don't have to have that balance. We see that with our current OC.

And if you read his post you would understand the WCO is more about horizontal/slant passes for short gains than it is down field passes for big gains.

I

I don't have to read his post to understand how Walsh designed his offense.

[Guy Chamberlin]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lots of misunderstanding about the WCO out there. It was never an "air raid" offense. It was actually Bill Walsh's alternative to Don Coryell's air raid offense. Given a quarterback with a weak arm, Walsh designed an offense that took advantage of short, high-percentage passes to spread the field and open up vertical rushing and passing lanes. It had a bigger playbook, but that was the idea: defenses couldn't line up against your bread & butter play because you had too many of them. There was no rule you couldn't run the ball in the WCO. You'd run like crazy if the defense allowed it. But you'd also consider a 5 yard pass to your RB the equivalent of a 5 yard run because you weren't keeping some weird score about the run/pass ratio.

 

The concept may have seemed sophisticated but the plays themselves were all about efficiency. And maybe a little playground ball. If you have a fullback out there doing lead blocks, design a play that lets him keep going into the secondary and throw a deep ball to Tom Rathman. Why not? Walsh loved Nebraska players because they knew how to block and they thrived in the WCO.

 

The WCO was in vogue for 20 years. These days nobody runs it and everybody runs it because a lot of the WCO innovations have merely been absorbed in other offenses like the spread.

 

Actually, the WCO was designed to give lesser talent a strategic advantage.

Take your information and knowledge and geeeet out! It's WAY easier to assume WCO is only about throwing 80% of the time for long gains!

I'm not saying that Guy is wrong in his post, but Gruden and Callahan utilized the vertical passing game more in Oakland than a conventional west coast offense would.

It's not about throwing 80% of the time, it's about balance for the sake of balance even when you don't have to have that balance. We see that with our current OC.

And if you read his post you would understand the WCO is more about horizontal/slant passes for short gains than it is down field passes for big gains.

I

I don't have to read his post to understand how Walsh designed his offense.

 

 

Your post #54 suggested you had a bit to learn on the subject before handing down some generalizations.

 

My generalization is that people on HuskerBoard who complain about the WCO and think that's what Nebraska's been running since Solich left, define the WCO as simply passing too much.

 

I really don't see coaches creating balance simply for balances sake, but reacting to defenses who are making their own adjustments. It's not necessarily balanced game by game, but evens out over the season. Even then, Nebraska rushed 495 times and passed 358 times this season, arguably with the strongest receiver corps in the Big 10 and lesser talent at RB.

[Redux]

 

 

 

 

 

Lots of misunderstanding about the WCO out there. It was never an "air raid" offense. It was actually Bill Walsh's alternative to Don Coryell's air raid offense. Given a quarterback with a weak arm, Walsh designed an offense that took advantage of short, high-percentage passes to spread the field and open up vertical rushing and passing lanes. It had a bigger playbook, but that was the idea: defenses couldn't line up against your bread & butter play because you had too many of them. There was no rule you couldn't run the ball in the WCO. You'd run like crazy if the defense allowed it. But you'd also consider a 5 yard pass to your RB the equivalent of a 5 yard run because you weren't keeping some weird score about the run/pass ratio.

 

The concept may have seemed sophisticated but the plays themselves were all about efficiency. And maybe a little playground ball. If you have a fullback out there doing lead blocks, design a play that lets him keep going into the secondary and throw a deep ball to Tom Rathman. Why not? Walsh loved Nebraska players because they knew how to block and they thrived in the WCO.

 

The WCO was in vogue for 20 years. These days nobody runs it and everybody runs it because a lot of the WCO innovations have merely been absorbed in other offenses like the spread.

 

Actually, the WCO was designed to give lesser talent a strategic advantage.

Take your information and knowledge and geeeet out! It's WAY easier to assume WCO is only about throwing 80% of the time for long gains!

I'm not saying that Guy is wrong in his post, but Gruden and Callahan utilized the vertical passing game more in Oakland than a conventional west coast offense would.

It's not about throwing 80% of the time, it's about balance for the sake of balance even when you don't have to have that balance. We see that with our current OC.

And if you read his post you would understand the WCO is more about horizontal/slant passes for short gains than it is down field passes for big gains.

I

I don't have to read his post to...

Probably don't quote/respond to posts you haven't read.

[cornstar]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lots of misunderstanding about the WCO out there. It was never an "air raid" offense. It was actually Bill Walsh's alternative to Don Coryell's air raid offense. Given a quarterback with a weak arm, Walsh designed an offense that took advantage of short, high-percentage passes to spread the field and open up vertical rushing and passing lanes. It had a bigger playbook, but that was the idea: defenses couldn't line up against your bread & butter play because you had too many of them. There was no rule you couldn't run the ball in the WCO. You'd run like crazy if the defense allowed it. But you'd also consider a 5 yard pass to your RB the equivalent of a 5 yard run because you weren't keeping some weird score about the run/pass ratio.

 

The concept may have seemed sophisticated but the plays themselves were all about efficiency. And maybe a little playground ball. If you have a fullback out there doing lead blocks, design a play that lets him keep going into the secondary and throw a deep ball to Tom Rathman. Why not? Walsh loved Nebraska players because they knew how to block and they thrived in the WCO.

 

The WCO was in vogue for 20 years. These days nobody runs it and everybody runs it because a lot of the WCO innovations have merely been absorbed in other offenses like the spread.

 

Actually, the WCO was designed to give lesser talent a strategic advantage.

Take your information and knowledge and geeeet out! It's WAY easier to assume WCO is only about throwing 80% of the time for long gains!

I'm not saying that Guy is wrong in his post, but Gruden and Callahan utilized the vertical passing game more in Oakland than a conventional west coast offense would.

It's not about throwing 80% of the time, it's about balance for the sake of balance even when you don't have to have that balance. We see that with our current OC.

And if you read his post you would understand the WCO is more about horizontal/slant passes for short gains than it is down field passes for big gains.

I

I don't have to read his post to...

Probably don't quote/respond to posts you haven't read.

Who said I didn't read it?

[Atbone95]

 

LET'S RILE SOME PEOPLE UP!!

 

Just thought it was worth noting for people who don't follow recruiting or just started recently:

 

Lamar Jackson had us in his final two in 2014. We fired our head coach. He goes to Louisville.

 

Hindsight is 20/20...

Yea, almost none of that is true.

 

Actually, we did fire Bo Pelini, he did go to Louisville, we were the favorite to land him until the firing. All true.

[Redux]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lots of misunderstanding about the WCO out there. It was never an "air raid" offense. It was actually Bill Walsh's alternative to Don Coryell's air raid offense. Given a quarterback with a weak arm, Walsh designed an offense that took advantage of short, high-percentage passes to spread the field and open up vertical rushing and passing lanes. It had a bigger playbook, but that was the idea: defenses couldn't line up against your bread & butter play because you had too many of them. There was no rule you couldn't run the ball in the WCO. You'd run like crazy if the defense allowed it. But you'd also consider a 5 yard pass to your RB the equivalent of a 5 yard run because you weren't keeping some weird score about the run/pass ratio.

 

The concept may have seemed sophisticated but the plays themselves were all about efficiency. And maybe a little playground ball. If you have a fullback out there doing lead blocks, design a play that lets him keep going into the secondary and throw a deep ball to Tom Rathman. Why not? Walsh loved Nebraska players because they knew how to block and they thrived in the WCO.

 

The WCO was in vogue for 20 years. These days nobody runs it and everybody runs it because a lot of the WCO innovations have merely been absorbed in other offenses like the spread.

 

Actually, the WCO was designed to give lesser talent a strategic advantage.

Take your information and knowledge and geeeet out! It's WAY easier to assume WCO is only about throwing 80% of the time for long gains!

I'm not saying that Guy is wrong in his post, but Gruden and Callahan utilized the vertical passing game more in Oakland than a conventional west coast offense would.

It's not about throwing 80% of the time, it's about balance for the sake of balance even when you don't have to have that balance. We see that with our current OC.

And if you read his post you would understand the WCO is more about horizontal/slant passes for short gains than it is down field passes for big gains.

I

I don't have to read his post to...

Probably don't quote/respond to posts you haven't read.

Who said I didn't read it?

If you read it you may see the flaw in your logic.

[cornstar]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lots of misunderstanding about the WCO out there. It was never an "air raid" offense. It was actually Bill Walsh's alternative to Don Coryell's air raid offense. Given a quarterback with a weak arm, Walsh designed an offense that took advantage of short, high-percentage passes to spread the field and open up vertical rushing and passing lanes. It had a bigger playbook, but that was the idea: defenses couldn't line up against your bread & butter play because you had too many of them. There was no rule you couldn't run the ball in the WCO. You'd run like crazy if the defense allowed it. But you'd also consider a 5 yard pass to your RB the equivalent of a 5 yard run because you weren't keeping some weird score about the run/pass ratio.

 

The concept may have seemed sophisticated but the plays themselves were all about efficiency. And maybe a little playground ball. If you have a fullback out there doing lead blocks, design a play that lets him keep going into the secondary and throw a deep ball to Tom Rathman. Why not? Walsh loved Nebraska players because they knew how to block and they thrived in the WCO.

 

The WCO was in vogue for 20 years. These days nobody runs it and everybody runs it because a lot of the WCO innovations have merely been absorbed in other offenses like the spread.

 

Actually, the WCO was designed to give lesser talent a strategic advantage.

Take your information and knowledge and geeeet out! It's WAY easier to assume WCO is only about throwing 80% of the time for long gains!

I'm not saying that Guy is wrong in his post, but Gruden and Callahan utilized the vertical passing game more in Oakland than a conventional west coast offense would.

It's not about throwing 80% of the time, it's about balance for the sake of balance even when you don't have to have that balance. We see that with our current OC.

And if you read his post you would understand the WCO is more about horizontal/slant passes for short gains than it is down field passes for big gains.

I

I don't have to read his post to...

Probably don't quote/respond to posts you haven't read.

Who said I didn't read it?

If you read it you may see the flaw in your logic.

If I had as little knowledge about the west coast offense as you do then I might see how Guy's post may have been of help.

 

I hate to be that guy, but your reading comprehension is severely lacking. But by all means, continue to show your idiocy.

[shyndy]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

LET'S RILE SOME PEOPLE UP!!

 

Just thought it was worth noting for people who don't follow recruiting or just started recently:

 

Lamar Jackson had us in his final two in 2014. We fired our head coach. He goes to Louisville.

 

Hindsight is 20/20...

Sorry, but you're full of sh#t. He visited here, and chose Louisville well before Bobo was fired. Bobo and Timmy Beck had Kevin Dillman as their QB, who struggled at the JV level in Texas as a senior, and ended up signing with North Texas as a TE. You want to get some people riled up, let's talk about Bobo and Timmy never offering NU legacy Joe Burrow, who will likely be tOSU's starting QB next year.

Beck helped Burrow land at OSU but I doubt he starts next year unless he beats out JT Barrett. Burrow will be fighting for the starting job in 2018 with Haskins and Martell.

IIRC he decommitted or almost decommitted when Beck was hired, and Urban went and ensured he would stay. I could swear that this was the case.

You are right, he was committed before Herman left OSU. Beck and Meyer met with him after Beck was hired and Burrow reaffirmed his commitment to OSU. Either way I don't see him starting next year unless someone in front of him gets hurt.

probably would have started here this year, lmao

[Redux]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lots of misunderstanding about the WCO out there. It was never an "air raid" offense. It was actually Bill Walsh's alternative to Don Coryell's air raid offense. Given a quarterback with a weak arm, Walsh designed an offense that took advantage of short, high-percentage passes to spread the field and open up vertical rushing and passing lanes. It had a bigger playbook, but that was the idea: defenses couldn't line up against your bread & butter play because you had too many of them. There was no rule you couldn't run the ball in the WCO. You'd run like crazy if the defense allowed it. But you'd also consider a 5 yard pass to your RB the equivalent of a 5 yard run because you weren't keeping some weird score about the run/pass ratio.

 

The concept may have seemed sophisticated but the plays themselves were all about efficiency. And maybe a little playground ball. If you have a fullback out there doing lead blocks, design a play that lets him keep going into the secondary and throw a deep ball to Tom Rathman. Why not? Walsh loved Nebraska players because they knew how to block and they thrived in the WCO.

 

The WCO was in vogue for 20 years. These days nobody runs it and everybody runs it because a lot of the WCO innovations have merely been absorbed in other offenses like the spread.

 

Actually, the WCO was designed to give lesser talent a strategic advantage.

Take your information and knowledge and geeeet out! It's WAY easier to assume WCO is only about throwing 80% of the time for long gains!

I'm not saying that Guy is wrong in his post, but Gruden and Callahan utilized the vertical passing game more in Oakland than a conventional west coast offense would.

It's not about throwing 80% of the time, it's about balance for the sake of balance even when you don't have to have that balance. We see that with our current OC.

And if you read his post you would understand the WCO is more about horizontal/slant passes for short gains than it is down field passes for big gains.

I

I don't have to read his post to...

Probably don't quote/respond to posts you haven't read.

Who said I didn't read it?

If you read it you may see the flaw in your logic.

If I had as little knowledge about the west coast offense as you do then I might see how Guy's post may have been of help.

 

I hate to be that guy, but your reading comprehension is severely lacking. But by all means, continue to show your idiocy.

 

 

Seems uncalled for, my feelings are hurt.

[cornstar]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lots of misunderstanding about the WCO out there. It was never an "air raid" offense. It was actually Bill Walsh's alternative to Don Coryell's air raid offense. Given a quarterback with a weak arm, Walsh designed an offense that took advantage of short, high-percentage passes to spread the field and open up vertical rushing and passing lanes. It had a bigger playbook, but that was the idea: defenses couldn't line up against your bread & butter play because you had too many of them. There was no rule you couldn't run the ball in the WCO. You'd run like crazy if the defense allowed it. But you'd also consider a 5 yard pass to your RB the equivalent of a 5 yard run because you weren't keeping some weird score about the run/pass ratio.

 

The concept may have seemed sophisticated but the plays themselves were all about efficiency. And maybe a little playground ball. If you have a fullback out there doing lead blocks, design a play that lets him keep going into the secondary and throw a deep ball to Tom Rathman. Why not? Walsh loved Nebraska players because they knew how to block and they thrived in the WCO.

 

The WCO was in vogue for 20 years. These days nobody runs it and everybody runs it because a lot of the WCO innovations have merely been absorbed in other offenses like the spread.

 

Actually, the WCO was designed to give lesser talent a strategic advantage.

Take your information and knowledge and geeeet out! It's WAY easier to assume WCO is only about throwing 80% of the time for long gains!

I'm not saying that Guy is wrong in his post, but Gruden and Callahan utilized the vertical passing game more in Oakland than a conventional west coast offense would.

It's not about throwing 80% of the time, it's about balance for the sake of balance even when you don't have to have that balance. We see that with our current OC.

And if you read his post you would understand the WCO is more about horizontal/slant passes for short gains than it is down field passes for big gains.

I

I don't have to read his post to...

Probably don't quote/respond to posts you haven't read.

Who said I didn't read it?

If you read it you may see the flaw in your logic.

If I had as little knowledge about the west coast offense as you do then I might see how Guy's post may have been of help.

 

I hate to be that guy, but your reading comprehension is severely lacking. But by all means, continue to show your idiocy.

Seems uncalled for, my feelings are hurt.

I'm sorry.

[Guy Chamberlin]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lots of misunderstanding about the WCO out there. It was never an "air raid" offense. It was actually Bill Walsh's alternative to Don Coryell's air raid offense. Given a quarterback with a weak arm, Walsh designed an offense that took advantage of short, high-percentage passes to spread the field and open up vertical rushing and passing lanes. It had a bigger playbook, but that was the idea: defenses couldn't line up against your bread & butter play because you had too many of them. There was no rule you couldn't run the ball in the WCO. You'd run like crazy if the defense allowed it. But you'd also consider a 5 yard pass to your RB the equivalent of a 5 yard run because you weren't keeping some weird score about the run/pass ratio.

 

The concept may have seemed sophisticated but the plays themselves were all about efficiency. And maybe a little playground ball. If you have a fullback out there doing lead blocks, design a play that lets him keep going into the secondary and throw a deep ball to Tom Rathman. Why not? Walsh loved Nebraska players because they knew how to block and they thrived in the WCO.

 

The WCO was in vogue for 20 years. These days nobody runs it and everybody runs it because a lot of the WCO innovations have merely been absorbed in other offenses like the spread.

 

Actually, the WCO was designed to give lesser talent a strategic advantage.

Take your information and knowledge and geeeet out! It's WAY easier to assume WCO is only about throwing 80% of the time for long gains!

I'm not saying that Guy is wrong in his post, but Gruden and Callahan utilized the vertical passing game more in Oakland than a conventional west coast offense would.

It's not about throwing 80% of the time, it's about balance for the sake of balance even when you don't have to have that balance. We see that with our current OC.

And if you read his post you would understand the WCO is more about horizontal/slant passes for short gains than it is down field passes for big gains.

I

I don't have to read his post to...

Probably don't quote/respond to posts you haven't read.

Who said I didn't read it?

If you read it you may see the flaw in your logic.

If I had as little knowledge about the west coast offense as you do then I might see how Guy's post may have been of help.

 

I hate to be that guy, but your reading comprehension is severely lacking. But by all means, continue to show your idiocy.

Seems uncalled for, my feelings are hurt.

I'm sorry.

 

 

No. It's my fault. I started it.

 

Hug?