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1 minute ago, GM_Tood said:

Maybe Obama should have made it a Treaty instead of a deal? 

 

If America intended to be true to their word, it wouldn't matter if it was a treaty, a deal or a handshake.  Integrity matters.

 

Or, maybe Trump shouldn't be working against America's interests. 

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1 minute ago, knapplc said:

 

If America intended to be true to their word, it wouldn't matter if it was a treaty, a deal or a handshake.  Integrity matters.

 

Or, maybe Trump shouldn't be working against America's interests. 

Trump campaigned on this...why is it such a surprise?  Another promise kept. As he said in his speech today, Negotiation table is open if Iran is willing to talk.  I would rather have a 0% chance of a Nuclear Iran than a 100% Nuclear Iran when this deal expired. 

 

The NK nuclear agreement better be a Treaty....with Congress approval...other than a wink wink deal. 

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Just now, GM_Tood said:

Trump campaigned on this...why is it such a surprise?  Another promise kept. As he said in his speech today, Negotiation table is open if Iran is willing to talk.  I would rather have a 0% chance of a Nuclear Iran than a 100% Nuclear Iran when this deal expired. 

 

The NK nuclear agreement better be a Treaty....with Congress approval...other than a wink wink deal. 

 

It's not a surprise, it's a sad reminder of how spiteful and self-defeating someone can be.  And yet further proof that people have no idea what they're voting for.

 

This is a huge, HUGE mistake. HUGE.  This is not in America's best interests. This damages America's standing around the world. This is a disaster that is being cheered on by people who have lost sight of what America is supposed to be. 

 

There is zero to gain by withdrawing from this deal.  Nothing.  So why do it?

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, GM_Tood said:

Trump campaigned on this...why is it such a surprise?  Another promise kept. As he said in his speech today, Negotiation table is open if Iran is willing to talk.  I would rather have a 0% chance of a Nuclear Iran than a 100% Nuclear Iran when this deal expired. 

 

The NK nuclear agreement better be a Treaty....with Congress approval...other than a wink wink deal. 

Before the deal, Iran was working towards nuclear capability.  After the deal, according to allies and inspectors, Iran was no longer working towards a nuclear arsenal.  I think it is safe to assume that if this deal collapses, we will be back at square one where Iran is working towards an arsenal.  

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3 minutes ago, funhusker said:

Before the deal, Iran was working towards nuclear capability.  After the deal, according to allies and inspectors, Iran was no longer working towards a nuclear arsenal.  I think it is safe to assume that if this deal collapses, we will be back at square one where Iran is working towards an arsenal.  

 

Yeah. I mean... everyone, from our allies to international nuclear watchdogs to our own people were saying that this deal was working. 

 

 

Yesterday Iran wasn't working toward gaining nukes. 

 

Today they are.

 

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How killing the nuclear deal could make it easier for Iran to pursue the bomb in secret

 

VIENNA — In the three years since the start of the Iran nuclear agreement, a cluster of buildings near the Austrian capital has served as an unblinking eye over Tehran’s most sensitive factories and research labs. But perhaps not for much longer.

 

Every day, workers arrive at the United Nations nuclear agency here to monitor live video from inside Iran’s once-secret uranium enrichment plants, part of an unbroken stream of data delivered by cameras and other remote sensors installed as part of the 2015 accord. Each week, scientists in lab coats analyze dust samples collected from across Iran, looking for minute particles that could reveal possible cheating.

 

Dispatchers track the movements of U.N. inspection teams that now work inside Iran every day of the year, checking and rechecking known nuclear facilities and occasionally venturing out to investigate tips about suspicious sites elsewhere.

 

The scrutiny carried out by officials of the International Atomic Energy Agency is a key component of the agreement, and it is unprecedented — not just for Iran but for any country, anywhere in the world.

 

Trump’s animus toward the pact appeared to deepen last week after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made a dramatic television appearance to showcase evidence about nuclear weapons research conducted by Iran a decade before the agreement was signed. Trump asserted that the pact was useless because Tehran cannot be trusted to keep its word. “What we’ve learned has really shown that I’ve been 100 percent right,” Trump said.

 

Yet by walking away from the deal, the Trump administration may lose its most important instrument for gauging whether Iran is telling the truth or not, according to former U.S. and U.N. officials and experts familiar with the IAEA’s oversight role. Many experts believe a collapse of the agreement will trigger a suspension of the unique, wide-ranging access accorded to the U.N. nuclear watchdog over the past three years.

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, funhusker said:

Before the deal, Iran was working towards nuclear capability.  After the deal, according to allies and inspectors, Iran was no longer working towards a nuclear arsenal.  I think it is safe to assume that if this deal collapses, we will be back at square one where Iran is working towards an arsenal.  

fwiw...i expect trumps pal in moscow will help the iranians learn everything they need to know about nuclear technology just as i suspect he did with NK.  won't shock me if iran develops nuclear technology  very quickly  now that there is no agreement in place..

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18 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

Yeah. I mean... everyone, from our allies to international nuclear watchdogs to our own people were saying that this deal was working. 

 

 

Yesterday Iran wasn't working toward gaining nukes. 

 

Today they are.

 

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Just now, commando said:

fwiw...i expect trumps pal in moscow will help the iranians learn everything they need to know about nuclear technology just as i suspect he did with NK.  won't shock me if iran develops nuclear technology  very quickly  now that there is no agreement in place..

 

They already know, it's 75 year old technology at this point.  You can find blueprints for early nuclear bombs online.  The bomb's the relatively easy part (take a critical mass of uranium, fire another bunch of uranium at it really fast).  The enrichment is the slower process, but even that isn't a secret at least at a high level on how it's done.  Like many other things the devil is in the details.

 

Leadership in Iran isn't stupid, they'll likely keep the deal in place with Europe, which in turn isolates the US and Israel as untrustworthy and irrational around the world and weakens us in any future foreign deals.

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true....who wants to deal with the US when we won't honor the agreements we make?  TPP? gone.   this deal with iran?  gone.  NAFTA?  threatened to be gone.   trump is breaking so amny agreements i don't see how anyone would want to bother even trying to negotiate anything with us now.   we are the rogue nation in the world at this point.  we are NK.   we have a kooky leader with nuclear weapons who won't keep any promises made.

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Obama's statement.  He's 100% right about this.

 

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Statement from President Barack Obama on the JCPOA

 

There are few issues more important to the security of the United States than the potential spread of nuclear weapons, or the potential for even more destructive war in the Middle East. That's why the United States negotiated the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) in the first place.

 

The reality is clear. The JCPOA is working – that is a view shared by our European allies, independent experts, and the current U.S. Secretary of Defense. The JCPOA is in America's interest – it has significantly rolled back Iran's nuclear program. And the JCPOA is a model for what diplomacy can accomplish – its inspections and verification regime is precisely what the United States should be working to put in place with North Korea. Indeed, at a time when we are all rooting for diplomacy with North Korea to succeed, walking away from the JCPOA risks losing a deal that accomplishes – with Iran – the very outcome that we are pursuing with the North Koreans.

 

That is why today's announcement is so misguided. Walking away from the JCPOA turns our back on America's closest allies, and an agreement that our country's leading diplomats, scientists, and intelligence professionals negotiated. In a democracy, there will always be changes in policies and priorities from one Administration to the next. But the consistent flouting of agreements that our country is a party to risks eroding America's credibility, and puts us at odds with the world's major powers.

 

Debates in our country should be informed by facts, especially debates that have proven to be divisive. So it's important to review several facts about the JCPOA.

 

First, the JCPOA was not just an agreement between my Administration and the Iranian government. After years of building an international coalition that could impose crippling sanctions on Iran, we reached the JCPOA together with the United Kingdom, France, Germany, the European Union, Russia, China, and Iran. It is a multilateral arms control deal, unanimously endorsed by a United Nations Security Council Resolution.

 

Second, the JCPOA has worked in rolling back Iran's nuclear program. For decades, Iran had steadily advanced its nuclear program, approaching the point where they could rapidly produce enough fissile material to build a bomb. The JCPOA put a lid on that breakout capacity. Since the JCPOA was implemented, Iran has destroyed the core of a reactor that could have produced weapons-grade plutonium; removed two-thirds of its centrifuges (over 13,000) and placed them under international monitoring; and eliminated 97 percent of its stockpile of enriched uranium – the raw materials necessary for a bomb. So by any measure, the JCPOA has imposed strict limitations on Iran's nuclear program and achieved real results.

 

Third, the JCPOA does not rely on trust – it is rooted in the most far-reaching inspections and verification regime ever negotiated in an arms control deal. Iran's nuclear facilities are strictly monitored. International monitors also have access to Iran's entire nuclear supply chain, so that we can catch them if they cheat. Without the JCPOA, this monitoring and inspections regime would go away.

 

Fourth, Iran is complying with the JCPOA. That was not simply the view of my Administration. The United States intelligence community has continued to find that Iran is meeting its responsibilities under the deal, and has reported as much to Congress. So have our closest allies, and the international agency responsible for verifying Iranian compliance – the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

 

Fifth, the JCPOA does not expire. The prohibition on Iran ever obtaining a nuclear weapon is permanent. Some of the most important and intrusive inspections codified by the JCPOA are permanent. Even as some of the provisions in the JCPOA do become less strict with time, this won't happen until ten, fifteen, twenty, or twenty-five years into the deal, so there is little reason to put those restrictions at risk today.

 

Finally, the JCPOA was never intended to solve all of our problems with Iran. We were clear-eyed that Iran engages in destabilizing behavior – including support for terrorism, and threats toward Israel and its neighbors. But that's precisely why it was so important that we prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Every aspect of Iranian behavior that is troubling is far more dangerous if their nuclear program is unconstrained. Our ability to confront Iran's destabilizing behavior – and to sustain a unity of purpose with our allies – is strengthened with the JCPOA, and weakened without it.

 

Because of these facts, I believe that the decision to put the JCPOA at risk without any Iranian violation of the deal is a serious mistake. Without the JCPOA, the United States could eventually be left with a losing choice between a nuclear-armed Iran or another war in the Middle East. We all know the dangers of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon. It could embolden an already dangerous regime; threaten our friends with destruction; pose unacceptable dangers to America's own security; and trigger an arms race in the world's most dangerous region. If the constraints on Iran's nuclear program under the JCPOA are lost, we could be hastening the day when we are faced with the choice between living with that threat, or going to war to prevent it.

 

In a dangerous world, America must be able to rely in part on strong, principled diplomacy to secure our country. We have been safer in the years since we achieved the JCPOA, thanks in part to the work of our diplomats, many members of Congress, and our allies. Going forward, I hope that Americans continue to speak out in support of the kind of strong, principled, fact-based, and unifying leadership that can best secure our country and uphold our responsibilities around the globe.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, commando said:

 

true....who wants to deal with the US when we won't honor the agreements we make?  TPP? gone.   this deal with iran?  gone.  NAFTA?  threatened to be gone.   trump is breaking so amny agreements i don't see how anyone would want to bother even trying to negotiate anything with us now.   we are the rogue nation in the world at this point.  we are NK.   we have a kooky leader with nuclear weapons who won't keep any promises made.

 

Here's what numb nuts and his sheep don't understand.

 

Reaching ONE of these deals in a Presidency is huge.  They are very difficult to accomplish because every country has it's priorities and really, no country has ultimate power over another one.

NOW....these blubbering idiots think they can:

 

1)  Renegotiate TPP.  Not with the group.  BUT....these Einstein are going to go from country to country negotiating deals.

2)  Renegotiate NAFTA....once again.....with each individual country.

3)  Renegotiate with Iran....Oh....it only took decades to get the deal he just pulled out of.

4)  Negotiate a deal with North Korea that no President has been able to do since the 1950s.

 

Oh....and let's not forget....he has gutted the State Department that would be helping him negotiate all these deals.

 

Idiot.

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