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The beat downs are so easy one really doesn't have to "try harder :laughpound"

 

From the British Medical Journal which is a highly respected, pro-science journal not some pseudo science, quackery rag like ZeroHedge or the Daily Sceptic.

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/379/bmj.o3061#


"On 13 December 2022, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis held what he ominously called a “Covid-19 mRNA vaccine accountability roundtable.”1 The event featured his surgeon general, Joseph Ladapo, and Martin Kulldorff and Jay Bhattacharya, authors of the Great Barrington Declaration and now senior scholars at the Brownstone Institute, a libertarian think tank.

 

The event did not come out of the blue. DeSantis and Ladapo have previously alarmed the public health community, both in Florida and nationwide, with their sceptical statements about covid-19 vaccines and their suggestion that the public has been misled about the value of vaccination.3 In February 2021, Ladapo called universal covid-19 vaccination “a chimera” and questioned the vaccine’s safety and effectiveness.

 

DeSantis ramped up the rhetoric even further at the roundtable, announcing the formation of a statewide grand jury investigation into alleged “crimes and wrongdoings” related to the vaccines, though he offered few details on what the jury would examine.

 

Benjamin Mazer, assistant professor of pathology at the Johns Hopkins University, pushed back against the Florida governor’s suggestion that the public has been misled. “To believe the covid vaccines have serious hidden safety issues,” he wrote, “is to believe in conspiracy theory. It requires not just distrusting FDA (they’re fallible) but regulatory agencies around the world, all of whom have approved the vaccines and recommended them for the general population. This is to say nothing of the broad peer reviewed literature supporting vaccination, and an almost universal consensus among doctors and scientists. There are specific vaccine policy questions in which there is real debate, but not about their fundamental safety and efficacy.”7

 

Why, then, is the Florida governor taking his vaccine scepticism to the next level? It only makes sense as a political ploy. As Albert Lin, cardiac electrophysiologist at North western Medicine, said, the grand jury investigation is “a purely political exercise that is 99% likely to not enlighten public policy over C19 [covid-19] vaccination.”8 DeSantis is widely expected to run for US President in 2024, and pushing vaccine scepticism plays well with the conservative base who he will need to win over if he is to beat Donald Trump to be the Republican presidential nominee.

 

This anti-vaccine message also helps to detract from the Florida governor’s own disastrous performance in averting covid-19 deaths. As Oliver Johnson, mathematician at the University of Bristol, noted, if Florida were a country, its covid-19 death rate (3,874 covid-19 deaths per million) would put it at “10th worst in the world, behind Peru and various East European countries that got slammed pre-vaccine.”

 

Booster coverage rates among residents of nursing homes in Florida are the second lowest among all states in the country—which is entirely unsurprising given the stances of the Florida governor and his public health team. It is a great irony that the Florida governor enthusiastically adopted the debunked Great Barrington Declaration, which argued for “focused protection” of older people; a strategy that, without vaccination, has not been proven to work.12

 

And there’s another irony. On the day DeSantis held his roundtable, a new study was published by researchers at the University of Maryland, York University, and Yale School of Public Health that estimated that the US. Covid-19 vaccination campaign prevented over 18 million hospital admissions and over three million deaths.13 The study authors also noted that the campaign “saved the U.S. more than $1 trillion in medical costs, and has preserved hospital resources, kept children in school, and allowed for reopening of businesses and other activities.”

 

DeSantis could have embraced the study’s findings. But instead of encouraging more Florida residents to get vaccinated, or announcing a strategy to get boosters to older Floridians in nursing homes, he doubled down on his anti-vaccine rhetoric. It’s a political stunt that plays well to the right wing of the party, but leaves many of the most vulnerable people unprotected."

 

It's clear that Desantis is fine with increased deaths and a financial drain on the health care system just long as his perceived tact of moving even further right than Trump will help him win the nomination.  That's turned out to be an abject failure however.  

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36 minutes ago, Scarlet said:

The beat downs are so easy one really doesn't have to "try harder :laughpound"

 

From the British Medical Journal which is a highly respected, pro-science journal not some pseudo science, quackery rag like ZeroHedge or the Daily Sceptic.

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/379/bmj.o3061#


"On 13 December 2022, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis held what he ominously called a “Covid-19 mRNA vaccine accountability roundtable.”1 The event featured his surgeon general, Joseph Ladapo, and Martin Kulldorff and Jay Bhattacharya, authors of the Great Barrington Declaration and now senior scholars at the Brownstone Institute, a libertarian think tank.

 

The event did not come out of the blue. DeSantis and Ladapo have previously alarmed the public health community, both in Florida and nationwide, with their sceptical statements about covid-19 vaccines and their suggestion that the public has been misled about the value of vaccination.3 In February 2021, Ladapo called universal covid-19 vaccination “a chimera” and questioned the vaccine’s safety and effectiveness.

 

DeSantis ramped up the rhetoric even further at the roundtable, announcing the formation of a statewide grand jury investigation into alleged “crimes and wrongdoings” related to the vaccines, though he offered few details on what the jury would examine.

 

Benjamin Mazer, assistant professor of pathology at the Johns Hopkins University, pushed back against the Florida governor’s suggestion that the public has been misled. “To believe the covid vaccines have serious hidden safety issues,” he wrote, “is to believe in conspiracy theory. It requires not just distrusting FDA (they’re fallible) but regulatory agencies around the world, all of whom have approved the vaccines and recommended them for the general population. This is to say nothing of the broad peer reviewed literature supporting vaccination, and an almost universal consensus among doctors and scientists. There are specific vaccine policy questions in which there is real debate, but not about their fundamental safety and efficacy.”7

 

Why, then, is the Florida governor taking his vaccine scepticism to the next level? It only makes sense as a political ploy. As Albert Lin, cardiac electrophysiologist at North western Medicine, said, the grand jury investigation is “a purely political exercise that is 99% likely to not enlighten public policy over C19 [covid-19] vaccination.”8 DeSantis is widely expected to run for US President in 2024, and pushing vaccine scepticism plays well with the conservative base who he will need to win over if he is to beat Donald Trump to be the Republican presidential nominee.

 

This anti-vaccine message also helps to detract from the Florida governor’s own disastrous performance in averting covid-19 deaths. As Oliver Johnson, mathematician at the University of Bristol, noted, if Florida were a country, its covid-19 death rate (3,874 covid-19 deaths per million) would put it at “10th worst in the world, behind Peru and various East European countries that got slammed pre-vaccine.”

 

Booster coverage rates among residents of nursing homes in Florida are the second lowest among all states in the country—which is entirely unsurprising given the stances of the Florida governor and his public health team. It is a great irony that the Florida governor enthusiastically adopted the debunked Great Barrington Declaration, which argued for “focused protection” of older people; a strategy that, without vaccination, has not been proven to work.12

 

And there’s another irony. On the day DeSantis held his roundtable, a new study was published by researchers at the University of Maryland, York University, and Yale School of Public Health that estimated that the US. Covid-19 vaccination campaign prevented over 18 million hospital admissions and over three million deaths.13 The study authors also noted that the campaign “saved the U.S. more than $1 trillion in medical costs, and has preserved hospital resources, kept children in school, and allowed for reopening of businesses and other activities.”

 

DeSantis could have embraced the study’s findings. But instead of encouraging more Florida residents to get vaccinated, or announcing a strategy to get boosters to older Floridians in nursing homes, he doubled down on his anti-vaccine rhetoric. It’s a political stunt that plays well to the right wing of the party, but leaves many of the most vulnerable people unprotected."

 

It's clear that Desantis is fine with increased deaths and a financial drain on the health care system just long as his perceived tact of moving even further right than Trump will help him win the nomination.  That's turned out to be an abject failure however.  

Try reading an article or 2 about him rolling out the vaccine AND being vaccinated.   Good effort on the hit piece. Me thinks you and BMJ doesn’t understand what anti-vac means :thumbs

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2 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

:laughpound
 

 

If you actually listen to the translation, he trying to use a classic whataboutism. He's trying to equate Fox (a non-government corporation) firing Tucker with some kind violation of the first amendment. Seeing as he's at the UN, this is just a classic move that China tries to use all the time as well. They know full well the US doesn't operate the way they portray it on these stages. There's a massive difference between state sanctioned censorship (and in the case of China, genocide) and a business making an executive decision.

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MAGA doesn't understand what "pandering to the base means". 

 

MAGA also conveniently seems to forget that an unethical politician just might flipflop on a position if he thought it would help with his political ambitions. But MAGA only would forget that in the case of MAGA's latest shiney idol.

 

MAGA also believes that others on the board will believe MAGA's gaslighting above the position of the highly regarded British Medical Journal. 

 

I mean he did get one scientifically challenged board lurker to upvote his inane post so there's that :thumbs

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3 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

Try reading an article or 2 about him rolling out the vaccine AND being vaccinated.   Good effort on the hit piece. Me thinks you and BMJ doesn’t understand what anti-vac means :thumbs

 

 

After all, we all know that nobody who is anti-capitalism owns an iphone. People always act with pure consistency towards their values.

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23 minutes ago, Scarlet said:

MAGA doesn't understand what "pandering to the base means". 

 

MAGA also conveniently seems to forget that an unethical politician just might flipflop on a position if he thought it would help with his political ambitions. But MAGA only would forget that in the case of MAGA's latest shiney idol.

 

MAGA also believes that others on the board will believe MAGA's gaslighting above the position of the highly regarded British Medical Journal. 

 

I mean he did get one scientifically challenged board lurker to upvote his inane post so there's that :thumbs

:ahhhhhhhh
 

 

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I have no clue if this is the reason or not.  But, if it is, I understand it.  I don't care if you are part of a sports team, charitable organization, company...etc., if you start thinking you are bigger than the organization, the organization needs to figure out how to get rid of you because you will be tearing it down. At the very least, you will be holding it back from what it could be.

 

I can clearly imagine Fox sitting there for the last 5-10 years thinking...crap...wish we could control what he's saying and if we can't, we need to get rid of him.  But...his fan base was too great.  So....insert the latest settlement and that gives them the ammunition needed to get rid of him.

 

 

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