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2 hours ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

If the premiums would be lowered without the ACA, Republicans would've repealed and replaced it. They haven't because there is no viable alternative.

 

The reality is that the ACA is imperfect but expanded Healthcare to millions at a reasonable cost. Premiums went up for some, but millions pay no premium at all. 

People forget that Republican also sabotage ACA before it even got off the ground. They killed the stipends that were supposed to be paid out to insurance companies to help with the transition of taking on patients with preexisting conditions. Cost likely would have continued to rise YoY, but it would have likely been slower ( if I remember right the ACA initially did slow the acceleration of increasing premiums anyway).

 

Then Trump sucker punched it by removing the mandate.

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15 hours ago, nic said:

Obama care? Really? Maybe. I have not heard that at all. Crop subsidies I buy, but most don't even know it's a thing. Social security. Yup. Republicans gave up on that several years ago. Welfare...I bet they think it is mostly wasted money. The concept yes, but not run administrated very well.

 

Ha. No, Obamacare yes, its widely accepted, must recognize they'd be screwed if it went away. Welfare too. The thing about the republicans is they'll sit and suck of the government teat for decades and then rail about it when they see someone else (they don't like) get benefits, or anyone who gets more in benefits than they do. Republicans should change their party name to the  "No benefits for anyone, except me. Don't you touch my govt. handout!" party.

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4 minutes ago, Scarlet said:

So we're calling for the DA to be arrested before there's an indictment and before we've even seen the charges or evidence?  

 

 

it's the same people who were chanting "lock her up" without a trial or evidence.  amazing how that works

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1 hour ago, Archy1221 said:

It is cheaper because there isn’t as much Healthcare tech available and services are limited to medically necessary with no doctor overrides like what we have here.  
 

One thing to consider, some of these countries budget the medical costs because we are their de facto security force.  The negligible defense spending is overcome by our countries need to be the world police force.  The US defense spending as a %of GDP is close to historic lows and it’s still triple the % of most of these countries cites with single payer health care.   And I don’t think that even includes State Department aid to foreign countries (could be wrong, please correct if I am).  If we as a country want to go single payer, fine, but we should also immediately reduce our defense spending %of gdp to equal size of Canada or split the difference between Canada and Germany.   That would free roughly $400billion a year to spend on healthcare in addition to what we already spend on Medicare and the Medicaid subsidies.    If everyone (or the majority) is good with that, then let’s go.   But we can’t just “trim the fat off the military” it’s gotta be apples to apples military size so we can have apples to apples healthcare costs.  
 

Does anyone want to venture a guess on what the other “world powers” or developed countries who suck if our defense tits would say at that point?  

 

I'd be god damn plenty ok with it, if my families health insurance premiums went to a govt system that was working to keep costs low, rather than to an insurance company that exists only to make rich asshats into richer asshats. But that's just me. Really seems to me that the switch to single payer is basically a zero sum notion on the tax payer level and would guarantee coverage and lower my out of pocket costs on top of it. 

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4 minutes ago, ZRod said:

People forget that Republican also sabotage ACA before it even got off the ground. They killed the stipends that were supposed to be paid out to insurance companies to help with the transition of taking on patients with preexisting conditions. Cost likely would have continued to rise YoY, but it would have likely been slower ( if I remember right the ACA initially did slow the acceleration of increasing premiums anyway).

 

Then Trump sucker punched it by removing the mandate.

This. The savings/reductions won’t work without the mandate. The pool of insured is in poorer health with more preexisting conditions so of course the premiums continue to rise faster. Reinstate the mandate and penalties and shift the FDA focus from protecting big pharma to doing what is best for the citizens and we might have something halfway workable.

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7 minutes ago, commando said:

it's the same people who were chanting "lock her up" without a trial or evidence.  amazing how that works

I'm curious what laws Senator Jerry Curl thinks the DA broke and why his tweet doesn't border on obstruction of justice.

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20 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Yep.

Wait…….how does the other guy know what the options were?? 
 

Anyways, it seems Democrats would want us to continue To spend extra hundreds of billions of dollars per year being the worlds police force while allowing other first world countries to have their security subsidized, but still have government spend to pay for everyone’s healthcare so we can keep up with the standards of those countries?   

Something seems off here.  Maybe a good compromise would be to demand every other first world country spend 3.8% of their GDP on defense spending to make the world a safer place for themselves and other countries and see what they have left over for healthcare?   See if their systems still work while paying their fair share for world security. 

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15 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Wait…….how does the other guy know what the options were?? 
 

Anyways, it seems Democrats would want us to continue To spend extra hundreds of billions of dollars per year being the worlds police force while allowing other first world countries to have their security subsidized, but still have government spend to pay for everyone’s healthcare so we can keep up with the standards of those countries?   

Something seems off here.  Maybe a good compromise would be to demand every other first world country spend 3.8% of their GDP on defense spending to make the world a safer place for themselves and other countries and see what they have left over for healthcare?   See if their systems still work while paying their fair share for world security. 

What the f#&%?!?

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18 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Anyways, it seems Democrats would want us to continue To spend extra hundreds of billions of dollars per year being the worlds police force while allowing other first world countries to have their security subsidized, but still have government spend to pay for everyone’s healthcare so we can keep up with the standards of those countries?   
 

After the spectacular failure of Bush's foreign wars, this is an extraordinary claim. 

 

Not to mention the United States continued support of Ukraine (defending Democracy is good btw) and current pressure to lift European defense spending, which is finally working, I'm at a loss for words on this one. Accusing Democrats of being the worlds police after massive military blunders just one Republican President ago.

 

I do agree on getting other NATO members - especially Germany - to fulfill their commitments of spending 2% or more on GDP, but things are trending in that direction.

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48 minutes ago, ZRod said:

People forget that Republican also sabotage ACA before it even got off the ground. They killed the stipends that were supposed to be paid out to insurance companies to help with the transition of taking on patients with preexisting conditions. Cost likely would have continued to rise YoY, but it would have likely been slower ( if I remember right the ACA initially did slow the acceleration of increasing premiums anyway).

 

Then Trump sucker punched it by removing the mandate.

 

The ACA relies heavily on economies of scale to bring the whole world of medical costs down, making it more in step with capitalist strategy than socialist strategy. The government would simply come to the private medical industry with a huge cache of potential customers and ask private industry to compete for their business. This is how $4,000 hip joints turn into $900 hip joints. Just as it does elsewhere in the free enterprise system.

 

But the GOP was so deep in denying Obama they sabotaged the ACA, bled out the economy of scale, and happily declared it a failure. And socialism. 

 

In a simpler world, the same GOP could have taken credit for steering Obama and America away from Single Payer and into the ACA, which had essentially been authored and endorsed by Republicans since the Nixon administration. 

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34 minutes ago, funhusker said:

What the f#&%?!?

The “Democrats” was said in response to a poster who said these weren’t the only options as a way to discount the option without presenting any other option.    
 

Quite similar to Busters use of “Great Job Republicans :clap“ when he quotes a single person saying something he disagrees with.  

 

 

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50 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

The “Democrats” was said in response to a poster who said these weren’t the only options as a way to discount the option without presenting any other option.    
 

Quite similar to Busters use of “Great Job Republicans :clap“ when he quotes a single person saying something he disagrees with.  

 

 

No, I typically am saying that about the Republicans that voted for the person who said or did the idiotic thing.  So, if MTG says something stupid....I'm not saying that about MTG.  I'm saying it about the voters and the party that supports her.  And, those people typically aren't condemning what she says or does.  So, it's not just about her.  It is about the party.

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