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1 minute ago, knapplc said:

 

There's conservatives and there's conservatives. You, @DevoHusker, @JJ Husker, @TGHusker, you'd all agree you're conservatives.

 

In my opinion, the good kind.

 

But there's no denying there are bad conservatives out there who ate up Rush's version of conservatism. Because it was hateful and unpleasant doesn't mean it's not a conservative ideology.

 

 

But, what I don’t get is what makes that conservative?   
 

To me, the only reason “conservatives” loved him is because he ridiculed liberals. He really came into power on the radio during Clinton’s presidency spreading every conspiracy theory about them. 
 

Just because you rail against liberals in the radio, doesn’t make you conservative.  It makes you nothing more than a conspiracy wacko jack a$$. 

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5 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

But, what I don’t get is what makes that conservative?   
 

To me, the only reason “conservatives” loved him is because he ridiculed liberals. He really came into power on the radio during Clinton’s presidency spreading every conspiracy theory about them. 
 

Just because you rail against liberals in the radio, doesn’t make you conservative.  It makes you nothing more than a conspiracy wacko jack a$$. 

Exactly...He was basically a no one until Billy C.  Rush realized what would make him money and it worked.  

He tricked a lot of people into loving him and tricked a lot of people into hating him (but still listening, like Howard Stern did).

 

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7 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

But, what I don’t get is what makes that conservative?   
 

To me, the only reason “conservatives” loved him is because he ridiculed liberals. He really came into power on the radio during Clinton’s presidency spreading every conspiracy theory about them. 
 

Just because you rail against liberals in the radio, doesn’t make you conservative.  It makes you nothing more than a conspiracy wacko jack a$$. 

 

I don't think Rush's status as a conservative is really up for debate, is it?

 

 

 

 

 

Rush Limbaugh, conservative talk radio pioneer, dead at 70

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, knapplc said:

 

I don't think Rush's status as a conservative is really up for debate, is it?

 

 

 

 

 

Rush Limbaugh, conservative talk radio pioneer, dead at 70

 

 

 

 

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what made him conservative other that people who think they are conservative loved him?

 

i know it sounds like a stupid question, but it’s what I started asking myself when I started questioning why I was constantly listening to Rush during the day and watching Fox News at night.  
 

What was I listening to and watching that was really conservative?  All they did was ridiculed Democrat politicians and praised like Gods republicans.  
 

I realized, to me, that doesn’t make them conservative. It just made them part of the Republican propaganda machine. 

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35 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

I used to listen to him every single day.  I don’t remember policy discussions. 
 

really the only things he did on his show was. 
 

1) Say shock jock things. 
2) Ridicule liberals. 
3) Brag about how great he is.
4) Convince everyone that the main stream media is lying to them and he’s the only place to hear the truth.  
 

What is conservative about that?  

Why did you listen to him everyday?

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3 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:


what made him conservative other that people who think they are conservative loved him?

 

i know it sounds like a stupid question, but it’s what I started asking myself when I started questioning why I was constantly listening to Rush during the day and watching Fox News at night.  
 

What was I listening to and watching that was really conservative?  All they did was ridiculed Democrat politicians and praised like Gods republicans.  
 

I realized, to me, that doesn’t make them conservative. It just made them part of the Republican propaganda machine. 

 

You're an old-school conservative, which Rush was at one time. I used to listen to him in the 90s before he went bats#!t insane. He was more a Reagan Republican back then.

 

As he changed, you didn't, and you left off listening to him. So did I. But his brand of conservatism came to dominate the conservative movement in America. You're a minority amongst conservatives. Rush is (was) the conservative mainstream today.

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15 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

You're an old-school conservative, which Rush was at one time. I used to listen to him in the 90s before he went bats#!t insane. He was more a Reagan Republican back then.

 

As he changed, you didn't, and you left off listening to him. So did I. But his brand of conservatism came to dominate the conservative movement in America. You're a minority amongst conservatives. Rush is (was) the conservative mainstream today.

Yeah, I remember my Dad listening to him way way back...I don't think Rush went crazy I think Rush went for the easier/bigger ratings so he started to play up the part even more, smart move on his part because it paid off for him.  I don't think I ever heard him again after like 92ish or so and even when I did hear him it was just while my Dad was driving and I really paying attention, I just remember him using the fake crumble up paper sound.

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4 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

But, what I don’t get is what makes that conservative?   
 

To me, the only reason “conservatives” loved him is because he ridiculed liberals. He really came into power on the radio during Clinton’s presidency spreading every conspiracy theory about them. 
 

Just because you rail against liberals in the radio, doesn’t make you conservative.  It makes you nothing more than a conspiracy wacko jack a$$. 

That is why he and trump were good together -  false conservatives who were more 'opportunists' than conservative -  Ok Rush was probably held some conservative ideas but he was good at marketing - seeing which way the wind was blowing and taking advantage of it.  The market, which he created - 'conservative talk radio' was driven by the same old thing - find the boggy man and exploit it.  He was a Lee Atwater type of conservative.  Identify the target and exploit it -  Clinton was the perfect boggy man.  Rush cashed in on it.

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19 hours ago, teachercd said:

I don't think Rush went crazy I think Rush went for the easier/bigger ratings so he started to play up the part even more, smart move on his part because it paid off for him.

I think there's a lot of truth to this.

 

The analytics, the ratings and the money proved that one type of thing made money more than the other. If you want to talk about real conservative politics, in an intelligent and thoughtful manner, that audience pales in comparison to the one that will show out for a crazed kook like Rush.

 

It's the same reason guys like Skip Bayless keep a job. Does he present his takes in a thoughtful, intelligent and mild-mannered way? Hardly. He exaggerates and irritates people, ingratiating his fans and pissing off his haters.

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20 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:


what made him conservative other that people who think they are conservative loved him?

 

i know it sounds like a stupid question, but it’s what I started asking myself when I started questioning why I was constantly listening to Rush during the day and watching Fox News at night.  
 

What was I listening to and watching that was really conservative?  All they did was ridiculed Democrat politicians and praised like Gods republicans.  
 

I realized, to me, that doesn’t make them conservative. It just made them part of the Republican propaganda machine. 

Definitions, particularly of ideologies and ideological groups, changes over time and have different meanings to different people.

 

As an extreme example, think of what socialism means today in the US - I'd guess the vast majority of people would think of the Soviet Union, but figures like Marx wouldn't have called that socialism - probably the opposite in fact.

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17 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

Definitions, particularly of ideologies and ideological groups, changes over time and have different meanings to different people.

 

As an extreme example, think of what socialism means today in the US - I'd guess the vast majority of people would think of the Soviet Union, but figures like Marx wouldn't have called that socialism - probably the opposite in fact.

But, I think that is different than what we see with someone like Rush.  You are talking about how ideologies change. 
 

What I’m saying is that he’s not conservative because of some deep ideology idea. He’s conservative because he hates liberals and said things that makes them mad. 
 

question.  What great conservative ideas did he champion? 

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58 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

But, I think that is different than what we see with someone like Rush.  You are talking about how ideologies change. 
 

What I’m saying is that he’s not conservative because of some deep ideology idea. He’s conservative because he hates liberals and said things that makes them mad. 
 

question.  What great conservative ideas did he champion? 

What I mean is that "conservatism" is no longer about conservative values of decades past, but instead it means hating liberals and opposing anything liberals support. Rush has contributed to the definition changing.

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