BigRedBuster Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 3 hours ago, RedDenver said: What I mean is that "conservatism" is no longer about conservative values of decades past, but instead it means hating liberals and opposing anything liberals support. Rush has contributed to the definition changing. We are saying the same thing in differing ways. The only reason Rush is considered conservative is because he said hateful things about liberals. 2 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 I’m still waiting for someone to point out what great conservative ideas he championed. 1 Link to comment
teachercd Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Scarlet said: Why do Republicans hate running water and electricity? I think it is more that everyone just hates constant b!^@hing. I know I do, you do as well. Link to comment
whateveritis1224 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 6 hours ago, teachercd said: I think it is more that everyone just hates constant b!^@hing. I know I do, you do as well. Why did he go into politics and become a Mayor then? One would think you would hear nothing but b!^@hing working in a public office. 2 Link to comment
teachercd Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 5 hours ago, whateveritis1224 said: Why did he go into politics and become a Mayor then? One would think you would hear nothing but b!^@hing working in a public office. Money and cash, probably. Link to comment
TGHusker Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 This picture, The Republican Club, always bothered me for whom it had sitting at the table. I have some questions: Why would the painter give such a prominent seat to Trump & Nixon? The 2 most ethically challenged of the club. While history is looking more favorably upon Nixon's overall accomplishments in spite of Watergate, I doubt is will be so friendly towards Trump long term. Why is Lincoln's back to the viewer? - he should be at the center of the conversation - eyes on him. Many historians rank him as the greatest president ever, with Washington second. Why is Grant so far back off to left by the pole? History is looking more kindly upon his presidency and reevaluating it in the context of its time. I would remove GWB, Trump, and Nixon and replace with Grant, McKinley, GHWB. Move Trump towards the rear of the painting & Nixon near Coolidge- who is looking over TR's shoulder. Move Taft up to take GHWB spot standing near the table. GWB would move further back. Of course the painting has one obvious eye catching feature - it shows a female walking up towards the table. Was that to be Sarah Palin? Or was it just a signal that one day a female GOP president would be elected who would crash this male club. Here is a 2017 C-Span ranking of presidents by presidential historians. https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2017/?page=overall Here is an interesting article comparing Trump to what the author claims are the top 3 GOP presidents - Lincoln, TR, Eisenhower (hard to argue wt that list. The historians, in the link above, rank Reagan # 4 of the group - 9th overall) https://greenstarsproject.org/2020/10/04/best-republican-presidents-trump-republican-party-values/ Link to comment
Scarlet Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 hours ago, TGHusker said: This picture, The Republican Club, always bothered me for whom it had sitting at the table. I have some questions: Why would the painter give such a prominent seat to Trump & Nixon? The 2 most ethically challenged of the club. While history is looking more favorably upon Nixon's overall accomplishments in spite of Watergate, I doubt is will be so friendly towards Trump long term. Why is Lincoln's back to the viewer? - he should be at the center of the conversation - eyes on him. Many historians rank him as the greatest president ever, with Washington second. Why is Grant so far back off to left by the pole? History is looking more kindly upon his presidency and reevaluating it in the context of its time. I would remove GWB, Trump, and Nixon and replace with Grant, McKinley, GHWB. Move Trump towards the rear of the painting & Nixon near Coolidge- who is looking over TR's shoulder. Move Taft up to take GHWB spot standing near the table. GWB would move further back. Of course the painting has one obvious eye catching feature - it shows a female walking up towards the table. Was that to be Sarah Palin? Or was it just a signal that one day a female GOP president would be elected who would crash this male club. Here is a 2017 C-Span ranking of presidents by presidential historians. https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2017/?page=overall Here is an interesting article comparing Trump to what the author claims are the top 3 GOP presidents - Lincoln, TR, Eisenhower (hard to argue wt that list. The historians, in the link above, rank Reagan # 4 of the group - 9th overall) https://greenstarsproject.org/2020/10/04/best-republican-presidents-trump-republican-party-values/ Pretty sure none of those guys would be sitting around having a good chuckle with Trump...maybe about Trump. 2 Link to comment
TGHusker Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Scarlet said: Pretty sure none of those guys would be sitting around having a good chuckle with Trump...maybe about Trump. Yep - and that would include Nixon. Link to comment
knapplc Posted February 22, 2021 Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Scarlet said: Pretty sure none of those guys would be sitting around having a good chuckle with Trump...maybe about Trump. Just now, TGHusker said: Yep - and that would include Nixon. The artist who did this has done the same kind of painting for the last four or five presidents. 1 Link to comment
TGHusker Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, Scarlet said: Lol.... I bet Cruz's daughter (who refused his good bye kiss) is doing a few of these And even the family dog Snowflake 1 Link to comment
TGHusker Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, knapplc said: The artist who did this has done the same kind of painting for the last four or five presidents. I see in the 3rd one - with Dem Presidents - he also has painted a female stepping forward in the near background. Someday we will have a female president. I wonder who that will be and if she is on the scene currently. One would think that VP Harris, or former Gov Nikki Haley are the most likely to fill that spot. But it was thought that Hillary would be the first and before that Elizabeth Dole was mentioned as a leading contender to be the first female president. Link to comment
knapplc Posted February 22, 2021 Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 Not a ringing endorsement! 2 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 hours ago, TGHusker said: Why is Lincoln's back to the viewer? - he should be at the center of the conversation - eyes on him. Well, clearly the artist's idea was to keep Trump as the focal point. Whitest shirt. Brightest light. More of the others focusing on him than anyone else. So, keeping that in mind, I have seen over the years where Republicans think Lincoln was actually a horrible President because he created a civil war fighting against state's rights. (a view I find amazingly stupid). But, the people I've seen argue that point would typically be BIG Trumpees. So, it doesn't surprise me that, even though he is at the table Lincoln is marginalized the most and Trump is glorified. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 21 hours ago, Scarlet said: Why do Republicans hate running water and electricity? Wow...I hadn't read this until now. This idiot obviously doesn't understand who pays the taxes for services and electric bills to the power company. People pay money and they aren't owed anything? What an absolute idiot. 2 Link to comment
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