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[Archy1221]

9 hours ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

Joe hasn't literally been sued and paid off a girl he statutory raped... that is such a worthless and lazy false equivalency its disgusting, and disgusting that you support those who engage in the act.

You’ve puked this statutory rape stuff three or four times now.   When do we get to see the story and evidence?   

[BigRedBuster]

11 hours ago, ActualCornHusker said:

 

I'm saying the way it's been characterized in the press is nowhere close to reality... To be clear, anybody who assaulted or killed someone that day should be held accountable, including the cop that shot the unarmed girl, I forget her name. 

 

If those people actually wanted to overturn the election and were serious about it, they would have brought weapons. Most of them were just dummies that walked right into a trap that Democrats, the FBI, and even some Republicans such as the turtle wanted them to fall into so they could use it as political leverage for the next 4 years. 

 

The main error those people made was thinking that the Capitol is the people's house. It's not. It's the criminals lair.

Circling back on this.  So....you blame everyone but the people who had fed these people lies about a stolen election for months, organized it, spoke at the rally and told them to march to the capital and fight.

[Guy Chamberlin]

13 hours ago, ActualCornHusker said:

 

I'm saying the way it's been characterized in the press is nowhere close to reality... To be clear, anybody who assaulted or killed someone that day should be held accountable, including the cop that shot the unarmed girl, I forget her name. 

 

If those people actually wanted to overturn the election and were serious about it, they would have brought weapons. Most of them were just dummies that walked right into a trap that Democrats, the FBI, and even some Republicans such as the turtle wanted them to fall into so they could use it as political leverage for the next 4 years. 

 

The main error those people made was thinking that the Capitol is the people's house. It's not. It's the criminals lair.

 

Oooops. Bad analysis. You just lost your brief credibility.

[ActualCornHusker]

1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

Circling back on this.  So....you blame everyone but the people who had fed these people lies about a stolen election for months, organized it, spoke at the rally and told them to march to the capital and fight.

 

Not what I said, and your characterization on multiple points skews reality.

2 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

Oooops. Bad analysis. You just lost your brief credibility.

 

Oh no... LOL

[BigRedBuster]

3 minutes ago, ActualCornHusker said:

Not what I said, and your characterization on multiple points skews reality.

Please explain.

[Guy Chamberlin]

4 minutes ago, ActualCornHusker said:

 

Not what I said, and your characterization on multiple points skews reality.

 

Oh no... LOL

 

But by all means, keep going. I've long been wondering what kind of person is willing to go on record defending Marjorie Taylor Greene, and there you are. 

[Born N Bled Red]

2 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

You’ve puked this statutory rape stuff three or four times now.   When do we get to see the story and evidence?   

 

Yeah, I've posted it several times, with links and context. If you haven't read it yet. It's because you're intentionally trying not to. You can read the whole case brief online. Try Google. It works. 

 

[ActualCornHusker]

Just now, BigRedBuster said:

Please explain.

 

How about instead I propose this:

 

You acknowledge that the FBI, Capitol Police, and Pelosi set up the EXACT circumstances that would allow what happened to happen, then provoked the incident and invited protestors into the building - people who are now being held in solitary and having their civil rights violated

 

And then I'll place blame on Trump for it.

 

If that's not an admission you'll make, there's no point in even talking about it because your perception of the event has been saturated by leftist garbage talking points.

[ActualCornHusker]

1 minute ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

But by all means, keep going. I've long been wondering what kind of person is willing to go on record defending Marjorie Taylor Greene, and there you are. 

 

I refuse to stand in line with ANY politician, so not sure what you're talking about. I'll acknowledge when ANY politician does something I like and criticize them when they do something that I view as contrary to the interest of Americans. You should try it

[BigRedBuster]

8 minutes ago, ActualCornHusker said:

You acknowledge that the FBI, Capitol Police, and Pelosi set up the EXACT circumstances that would allow what happened to happen, then provoked the incident and invited protestors into the building - people who are now being held in solitary and having their civil rights violated

 

That's laughable and straight from right wing propaganda.

 

You're right....if you're just going to regurgitate their talking points without an explanation, the conversation is meaningless.

[ActualCornHusker]

2 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

That's laughable and straight from right wing propaganda.

 

You're right....if you're just going to regurgitate their talking points without an explanation, the conversation is meaningless.

 

There are literal VIDEOS of officers welcoming people into the Capitol building.... And a federal judge agreed on that point...

 

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McFadden said it was reasonable for Martin to believe that outnumbered police officers allowed him and others to enter the Capitol through the Rotunda doors on Jan. 6, 2021.

 

LINK

[Archy1221]

18 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

Yeah, I've posted it several times, with links and context. If you haven't read it yet. It's because you're intentionally trying not to. You can read the whole case brief online. Try Google. It works. 

 

when did this Google thing come out?  What does it do?  
 

On a side note, ya I must have missed you posting it or already debunked it so was thinking you had something that wasn’t fiction.   If so please post, with actual facts because if this is the story you are referencing, it ain’t something to be proud of thinking it’s true

 

 

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2016/11/3/13501364/trump-rape-13-year-old-lawsuit-katie-johnson-allegation

[commando]

21 minutes ago, ActualCornHusker said:

 

I refuse to stand in line with ANY politician, so not sure what you're talking about. I'll acknowledge when ANY politician does something I like and criticize them when they do something that I view as contrary to the interest of Americans. You should try it

and you support MTG?     wow.  i've seen enough to make a conclusion about you and your views.

[Born N Bled Red]

4 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

when did this Google thing come out?  What does it do?  
 

On a side note, ya I must have missed you posting it or already debunked it so was thinking you had something that wasn’t fiction.   If so please post, with actual facts because if this is the story you are referencing, it ain’t something to be proud of thinking it’s true

 

 

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2016/11/3/13501364/trump-rape-13-year-old-lawsuit-katie-johnson-allegation

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/assault-allegations-donald-trump-recapped

 

So far:

• 16 women have accused Donald Trump of various forms of sexual assault, including one accusation of rape and another, in which the accuser has not used the word “rape” but whose description meets the legal definition of rape. This figure includes standing accusations from both before and after the release of the Access Hollywood tape on October 7, 2016.
• Four other women have publicly said Mr. Trump walked in on them and other pageant contestants while they were undressing. Buzzfeed reports another three women have confirmed the pageant stories but did not want their names used.
• The alleged incidents range from the early 1980s to 2013.
• Donald Trump has adamantly denied all of the stories and accuses the women of being political tools who were trying to undermine either his candidacy or presidency.

SEXUAL ASSAULT ACCUSATIONS

Here is what we know about the accusations of assault against Donald Trump, including the date of the alleged assault. These are standing allegations of assault that have not been disavowed by the alleged victim.

Kristin Anderson – Early 1990s. Story in the Washington Post on October 14, 2016.
Anderson says she was in a Manhattan bar with friends when the person next to her reached up her skirt and touched her vagina through her underwear. She says she turned and recognized the person as Donald Trump.

E. Jean Carroll – late 1995 or early 1996. Story in NY Magazine June 21 and expected in upcoming book.
Carroll describes running into Trump in a department store, where she says he recognized her for her widely-read advice column. Carroll says they went into a dressing room after Trump asked for her advice on a present – lingerie – for another woman. Inside, she alleges that he shoved her against a wall, “forcing his fingers around my private area, thrusts his penis halfway — or completely, I’m not certain — inside me.” A senior White House official issued a statement to NY Magazine calling the accusation, “a completely false and unrealistic story.”

Rachel Crooks – 2005. Story in The New York Times on October 12, 2016.
A 22-year-old receptionist at the time, Crooks said Trump gave her an unwanted kiss on the mouth after meeting him in 2005.

“Jane Doe” aka “Katie Johnson” – 1994. Lawsuit filed June 2016, refiled October 2016 as reported by Buzzfeed and others, then dropped in November 2016.
Jane Doe is an unnamed plaintiff, who has also gone by “Katie Johnson” in legal papers. She claims she was repeatedly raped by Trump and Jeffery Epstein at Epstein’s New York City apartment in 1994, when she was 13 years old. A witness, also given a pseudonym — “Tiffany Doe” — said she recruited “Jane Doe” and others. Doe, using the name “Johnson,” gave an interview to the Daily Mail in which she said she did not know who Trump was at the time of the alleged attack but identified him later when she saw him on television. It is not known why she withdrew the lawsuit. She has not spoken publicly or withdrawn her rape allegation since then.

Jessica Drake – 2006. Story made public at a news conference October 22, 2016.
While working as an adult film actress, Drake says Trump invited her to the room where he was staying in Lake Tahoe. In the room, she says he grabbed, hugged and kissed her and two other women who accompanied her without permission. Later, she alleges that Trump called her and pressed her to return to his room, offering $10,000 at one point. Drake says she declined.

Jill Harth – 1992-1993. Story in the The New York Times on October 9, 2016.
A Florida businesswoman who partnered with Trump and later dated him. Harth alleged that he groped her under the table at dinner with her boyfriend then repeatedly got her alone, and it would turn into a “wrestling match.” She sued Trump for breach of contract, sexual harassment and at one point attempted rape. She settled and then in 1998 dated Trump.

Cathy Heller – 1997. Story in the Guardian on October 15, 2016.
At a Mother’s Day brunch for Mar-A-Lago club members’ families in 1997, Heller alleges that when she was introduced to Trump, he grabbed her and tried to kiss her on the lips. Heller says she leaned back to avoid him and then he kissed her on the side of her mouth. CNN has reported Heller is a Democratic donor.

Ninni Laaksonen – 2006. Former Miss Finland. Story in Ilta-Sonomat on October 27, 2016. In English in the Telegraph.
Laaksonen told Finnish newspaper Ilta-Sonomat that Trump “squeezed her butt” as she and other pageant contestants stood next to him for a publicity photo, ahead of an appearance on The Letterman Show.

Jessica Leeds – Early 1980s. Story in The New York Times on October 12, 2016.
Leeds says she sat next to Trump in first class on an airplane and that he kissed her, groped her chest and reached up her skirt, leading her to move back to coach. “He was like an octopus,” she told The New York Times. In a NY Post report published October 14, 2016, a British man whose interview was arranged by the Trump campaign said that he was on the flight, that Leeds’ account is false and he remembers Leeds acting inappropriately.

Mindy McGillivray – Jan. 24, 2003. Story in Palm Beach Post on October 12, 2016.
Working as an assistant to photographers at Mar-a-Lago in 2003, McGillivray charges that Trump nudged or grabbed her from behind.

Jennifer Murphy – 2004. Story in Grazia on October 12, 2016.
A former Miss USA and “The Apprentice” contestant, Grazia says that Trump kissed her on the lips after walking her to the elevators following a meeting in New York, which he said was to discuss a possible job.

Cassandra Searles – 2013. Made story public in Facebook post in early 2016.
Miss Washington 2013, Searles wrote on Facebook, “He probably doesn’t want me telling the story about that time he continually grabbed my a$$ and invited me to his hotel room.”

Natasha Stoynoff – December 2005. Story on People.com on October 12, 2016.
Stoynoff was a celebrity reporter covering Trump for People Magazine. She alleges that Trump assaulted her while she was at Mar-a-Lago interviewing him and Melania Trump for a story about their one-year anniversary. She alleges Trump took her to a private room, pushed her against the wall and aggressively kissed her. Stoynoff also says a staffer told her Trump was waiting for her the next day at a massage appointment.

Temple Taggart McDowell – 1997. Story in New York Times May 14, 2016.
McDowell, who was Miss Utah USA 1997, charges that Trump suddenly kissed her without her consent on two separate occasions.

Karena Virginia – 1998. Story made public at a news conference October 20, 2016.
Virginia says that while she was waiting for a ride following the U.S Open tennis tournament, Trump walked up to her, grabbed her arm and touched her breast.

Summer Zervos – 2007. Story made public in a news conference October 14, 2016.
A former contestant on “The Apprentice,” Zervos alleges that Trump told her he wanted to discuss a possible job, but alone in a Beverly Hills Hotel bungalow, grabbed her breasts, kissed her and tried to lead her into a bedroom.

PAGEANT CONTESTANTS ALLEGING TRUMP WALKED IN WHILE THEY WERE DRESSING

Mariah Billado – 1997 Miss Vermont Teen. Story in Buzzfeed on October 12, 2016.

Tasha Dixon – 2001 Miss Arizona. Story in CBSLA on October 11, 2016.

Victoria Hughes – 1997 Miss New Mexico Teen. Story in Buzzfeed on October 13, 2016.

Bridget Sullivan – 2000 Miss New Hampshire. Story in Buzzfeed May 18, 2016.

Buzzfeed on October 12, 2016 reported that three other anonymous sources from 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant confirmed Billado and Hughes’ story.

OTHER ALLEGATIONS OF IMPROPER CONDUCT

Lisa Boyne – Summer 1996. Story in The Huffington Post on October 13, 2016.
Boyne alleges that at a group dinner, Trump and other men forced women to walk over the table to leave their seats and that Trump looked up the women’s skirts and commented on their underwear and genitalia.

Ivana Trump – 1989. Accusations in early 1990s court deposition, made public in The Daily Beast on July 27, 2015. Ivana disavowed stories of rape in a 1993 book and further commented on July 28, 2015.

The mother of three children with Trump, Ivana Trump charges that Trump “violated their bond of love” in a 1989 incident, which she has not described any further in public. She wrote that her reported words charging her ex-husband with “rape” in a deposition were figurative, that stories about a rape are “totally without merit” and she “ did not mean rape in the “criminal sense.” She is under a confidentiality agreement and cannot discuss her marriage publicly without approval from Donald Trump.

Left: Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump speaks at a campaign rally in Greensboro, North Carolina. Photo by Mike Segar/Reuters

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[commando]

25 minutes ago, ActualCornHusker said:

 

How about instead I propose this:

 

You acknowledge that the FBI, Capitol Police, and Pelosi set up the EXACT circumstances that would allow what happened to happen, then provoked the incident and invited protestors into the building - people who are now being held in solitary and having their civil rights violated

 

And then I'll place blame on Trump for it.

 

If that's not an admission you'll make, there's no point in even talking about it because your perception of the event has been saturated by leftist garbage talking points.

so the FBI, the capitol police, and pelosi forced those people to storm the capitol?  the people who came with plans to storm the capitol were forced to storm the capitol?    the people who were celebrating the storming of the capitol were forced to storm the capitol?   they were forced to bus in from around the country to storm the capitol?  the is some bat s#!t crazy logic you are using.