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5 minutes ago, ActualCornHusker said:

 

There are literal VIDEOS of officers welcoming people into the Capitol building.... And a federal judge agreed on that point...

 

 

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Would those be the 6 officers who were given disciplinary action? Or those that were barricading the doors, and the one who was crushed in the door, or the one who was dragged out and beat?

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8 hours ago, Lorewarn said:

 

 

Well, only 19% of the culture thinks abortions should be illegal under all circumstances, so the cultural change has happened, and the legal one is presumably about to go against it.

Now look up the percentage who feel it should be illegal

for SOME circumstances 

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1 minute ago, DevoHusker said:

Now look up the percentage who feel it should be illegal

for SOME circumstances 

You're probably not wrong.

 

But unfortunately, the laws that are being written rarely are for only "some" circumstances.  

 

 

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1 minute ago, funhusker said:

You're probably not wrong.

 

But unfortunately, the laws that are being written rarely are for only "some" circumstances.  

 

 

I agree, but maybe this is a chance to get it right.

 

I have said in the past that there needs to be a common sense compromise on Roe and also on 2A. It seems no one can do anything unless it's all or nothing, and it sux.

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You can do all sorts of "he said/she said" accounts of Donald Trump's (at best) improper behavior.

 

Or you can just read his autobiography, listen to him brag on Howard Stern, say creepy things on The View, or confess his harassment MO to Billy Bush, thinking he'd impress the kid. He's also on record admiring Jeffrey Epstein's lifestyle and wishing his old friend Ghislane Maxwell luck with her trial. 

 

His crude, entitled behavior is pretty far down my list for his awfulness as President, but it's by no means a creation of the media. 

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1 minute ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

You can do all sorts of "he said/she said" accounts of Donald Trump's (at best) improper behavior.

 

Or you can just read his autobiography, listen to him brag on Howard Stern, say creepy things on The View, or confess his harassment MO to Billy Bush, thinking he'd impress the kid. 

 

His crude, entitled behavior is pretty far down my list for his awfulness as President, but it's by no means a creation of the media. 

 

Nobody is defending Trump's personal baggage here. You're reading what you want to read so you can claim that people who don't agree with your views lock-step are evil so you don't have to have a genuine conversation. It's what the left does every time.

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3 minutes ago, ActualCornHusker said:

 

Nobody is defending Trump's personal baggage here. You're reading what you want to read so you can claim that people who don't agree with your views lock-step are evil so you don't have to have a genuine conversation. It's what the left does every time.

NO, every time someone tries to have a conversation about something you say, you're response is...."I'm not interested in talking about that".  Kind of your MO.

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2 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

NO, every time someone tries to have a conversation about something you say, you're response is...."I'm not interested in talking about that".  Kind of your MO.

 

I think you're reading what you want to read instead of what I'm typing. Kind of your MO.

 

I know what you're referring to though - yesterday when I said something along the lines of "I don't really feel like wasting my evening discussing this" perhaps it meant I wanted to spend the evening with my wife rather than try to have a pointless debate that won't make one iota of difference anyways - not that I was avoiding the debate because I'm being inauthentic or something...

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29 minutes ago, ActualCornHusker said:

Nobody is defending Trump's personal baggage here. 

 

 

Maybe not defending, but there's an awful lot of false equivalency between him and Biden as far as character and behavior in here.

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49 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/assault-allegations-donald-trump-recapped

 

So far:

  • 16 women have accused Donald Trump of various forms of sexual assault, including one accusation of rape and another, in which the accuser has not used the word “rape” but whose description meets the legal definition of rape. This figure includes standing accusations from both before and after the release of the Access Hollywood tape on October 7, 2016.
  • Four other women have publicly said Mr. Trump walked in on them and other pageant contestants while they were undressing. Buzzfeed reports another three women have confirmed the pageant stories but did not want their names used.
  • The alleged incidents range from the early 1980s to 2013.
  • Donald Trump has adamantly denied all of the stories and accuses the women of being political tools who were trying to undermine either his candidacy or presidency.

SEXUAL ASSAULT ACCUSATIONS

Here is what we know about the accusations of assault against Donald Trump, including the date of the alleged assault. These are standing allegations of assault that have not been disavowed by the alleged victim.

Kristin Anderson – Early 1990s. Story in the Washington Post on October 14, 2016.
Anderson says she was in a Manhattan bar with friends when the person next to her reached up her skirt and touched her vagina through her underwear. She says she turned and recognized the person as Donald Trump.

E. Jean Carroll – late 1995 or early 1996. Story in NY Magazine June 21 and expected in upcoming book.
Carroll describes running into Trump in a department store, where she says he recognized her for her widely-read advice column. Carroll says they went into a dressing room after Trump asked for her advice on a present – lingerie – for another woman. Inside, she alleges that he shoved her against a wall, “forcing his fingers around my private area, thrusts his penis halfway — or completely, I’m not certain — inside me.” A senior White House official issued a statement to NY Magazine calling the accusation, “a completely false and unrealistic story.”

Rachel Crooks – 2005. Story in The New York Times on October 12, 2016.
A 22-year-old receptionist at the time, Crooks said Trump gave her an unwanted kiss on the mouth after meeting him in 2005.

“Jane Doe” aka “Katie Johnson” – 1994. Lawsuit filed June 2016, refiled October 2016 as reported by Buzzfeed and others, then dropped in November 2016.
Jane Doe is an unnamed plaintiff, who has also gone by “Katie Johnson” in legal papers. She claims she was repeatedly raped by Trump and Jeffery Epstein at Epstein’s New York City apartment in 1994, when she was 13 years old. A witness, also given a pseudonym — “Tiffany Doe” — said she recruited “Jane Doe” and others. Doe, using the name “Johnson,” gave an interview to the Daily Mail in which she said she did not know who Trump was at the time of the alleged attack but identified him later when she saw him on television. It is not known why she withdrew the lawsuit. She has not spoken publicly or withdrawn her rape allegation since then.

Jessica Drake – 2006. Story made public at a news conference October 22, 2016.
While working as an adult film actress, Drake says Trump invited her to the room where he was staying in Lake Tahoe. In the room, she says he grabbed, hugged and kissed her and two other women who accompanied her without permission. Later, she alleges that Trump called her and pressed her to return to his room, offering $10,000 at one point. Drake says she declined.

Jill Harth – 1992-1993. Story in the The New York Times on October 9, 2016.
A Florida businesswoman who partnered with Trump and later dated him. Harth alleged that he groped her under the table at dinner with her boyfriend then repeatedly got her alone, and it would turn into a “wrestling match.” She sued Trump for breach of contract, sexual harassment and at one point attempted rape. She settled and then in 1998 dated Trump.

Cathy Heller – 1997. Story in the Guardian on October 15, 2016.
At a Mother’s Day brunch for Mar-A-Lago club members’ families in 1997, Heller alleges that when she was introduced to Trump, he grabbed her and tried to kiss her on the lips. Heller says she leaned back to avoid him and then he kissed her on the side of her mouth. CNN has reported Heller is a Democratic donor.

Ninni Laaksonen – 2006. Former Miss Finland. Story in Ilta-Sonomat on October 27, 2016. In English in the Telegraph.
Laaksonen told Finnish newspaper Ilta-Sonomat that Trump “squeezed her butt” as she and other pageant contestants stood next to him for a publicity photo, ahead of an appearance on The Letterman Show.

Jessica Leeds – Early 1980s. Story in The New York Times on October 12, 2016.
Leeds says she sat next to Trump in first class on an airplane and that he kissed her, groped her chest and reached up her skirt, leading her to move back to coach. “He was like an octopus,” she told The New York Times. In a NY Post report published October 14, 2016, a British man whose interview was arranged by the Trump campaign said that he was on the flight, that Leeds’ account is false and he remembers Leeds acting inappropriately.

Mindy McGillivray – Jan. 24, 2003. Story in Palm Beach Post on October 12, 2016.
Working as an assistant to photographers at Mar-a-Lago in 2003, McGillivray charges that Trump nudged or grabbed her from behind.

Jennifer Murphy – 2004. Story in Grazia on October 12, 2016.
A former Miss USA and “The Apprentice” contestant, Grazia says that Trump kissed her on the lips after walking her to the elevators following a meeting in New York, which he said was to discuss a possible job.

Cassandra Searles – 2013. Made story public in Facebook post in early 2016.
Miss Washington 2013, Searles wrote on Facebook, “He probably doesn’t want me telling the story about that time he continually grabbed my a$$ and invited me to his hotel room.”

Natasha Stoynoff – December 2005. Story on People.com on October 12, 2016.
Stoynoff was a celebrity reporter covering Trump for People Magazine. She alleges that Trump assaulted her while she was at Mar-a-Lago interviewing him and Melania Trump for a story about their one-year anniversary. She alleges Trump took her to a private room, pushed her against the wall and aggressively kissed her. Stoynoff also says a staffer told her Trump was waiting for her the next day at a massage appointment.

Temple Taggart McDowell – 1997. Story in New York Times May 14, 2016.
McDowell, who was Miss Utah USA 1997, charges that Trump suddenly kissed her without her consent on two separate occasions.

Karena Virginia – 1998. Story made public at a news conference October 20, 2016.
Virginia says that while she was waiting for a ride following the U.S Open tennis tournament, Trump walked up to her, grabbed her arm and touched her breast.

Summer Zervos – 2007. Story made public in a news conference October 14, 2016.
A former contestant on “The Apprentice,” Zervos alleges that Trump told her he wanted to discuss a possible job, but alone in a Beverly Hills Hotel bungalow, grabbed her breasts, kissed her and tried to lead her into a bedroom.

PAGEANT CONTESTANTS ALLEGING TRUMP WALKED IN WHILE THEY WERE DRESSING

Mariah Billado – 1997 Miss Vermont Teen. Story in Buzzfeed on October 12, 2016.

Tasha Dixon – 2001 Miss Arizona. Story in CBSLA on October 11, 2016.

Victoria Hughes – 1997 Miss New Mexico Teen. Story in Buzzfeed on October 13, 2016.

Bridget Sullivan – 2000 Miss New Hampshire. Story in Buzzfeed May 18, 2016.

Buzzfeed on October 12, 2016 reported that three other anonymous sources from 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant confirmed Billado and Hughes’ story.

OTHER ALLEGATIONS OF IMPROPER CONDUCT

Lisa Boyne – Summer 1996. Story in The Huffington Post on October 13, 2016.
Boyne alleges that at a group dinner, Trump and other men forced women to walk over the table to leave their seats and that Trump looked up the women’s skirts and commented on their underwear and genitalia.

Ivana Trump – 1989. Accusations in early 1990s court deposition, made public in The Daily Beast on July 27, 2015. Ivana disavowed stories of rape in a 1993 book and further commented on July 28, 2015.

The mother of three children with Trump, Ivana Trump charges that Trump “violated their bond of love” in a 1989 incident, which she has not described any further in public. She wrote that her reported words charging her ex-husband with “rape” in a deposition were figurative, that stories about a rape are “totally without merit” and she “ did not mean rape in the “criminal sense.” She is under a confidentiality agreement and cannot discuss her marriage publicly without approval from Donald Trump.

Left: Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump speaks at a campaign rally in Greensboro, North Carolina. Photo by Mike Segar/Reuters

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Lisa Desjardins

Since we were specifically talking a statutory rape case can we stick to that?  Or are you trying to muddy the waters knowing you have nothing to share on that end, because when reading the VOX article it’s pretty clear that case is bunk to any rational person and that’s the case you linked to just now.  If you had something else please share.   
 

Once you are done with that, we could discuss each of those individual cases and what kind of merit they have.   I mean one says Trump dated the women that accusing him!?!

 

 

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Just now, BigRedBuster said:

There is such a thing as rape in this situation.

So he raped her, she sued him, then dated him after suing him.   That doesn’t sound strange?    Maybe she’s the one in a million case, who knows.  
 

I can confidently say with 100% certainty that if my daughter was raped, she wouldn’t date him months later after suing him.  

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10 minutes ago, Lorewarn said:

 

 

Maybe not defending, but there's an awful lot of false equivalency between him and Biden as far as character and behavior in here.

 

I'd contend that based on the confirmed evidence we have on both, Biden is the far more sketchy individual, both personally and politically. But he's a part of the "in group" so he gets covered for

 

Edit: So that I'm clear, that doesn't mean I think Trump is admirable as a person, but good God...

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Seems like both sides have motivation to leak this. D's to create outrage, R's to create focus on the leak, and not the decision. Also gotta love the 'DONT TAKE MA RIGHTS' crowd, out here trying to take away peoples rights. Looks like Alito is coming for gay marriage and what 2 consenting adults do in the bed room, next - but keep preaching about MA RIGHTS. 

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