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2 minutes ago, ActualCornHusker said:

 

I'd contend that based on the confirmed evidence we have on both, Biden is the far more sketchy individual, both personally and politically. But he's a part of the "in group" so he gets covered for

 

 

You can speculate and imagine implications about the 'sketchy' nature of a career politician until you're blue in the face (we all understand that Biden, and politicians in general, are not and can not be squeaky clean), but when it comes down to the preponderance of direct evidence, there's no argument for what you're saying.

 

One of the two has had dozens of sexual assault allegations, the other hasn't.

 

One has professionally and politically surrounded themselves with criminals (some of them proven to be actual traitors, and some of them in prison), the other hasn't.

 

One has a consistent history of defrauding employees, contractors, partners, construction crews, "students" and so on out of millions of dollars, the other hasn't.

 

One has bragged about either committing or the idea of sexual assault and also admitted to watching minors change in dressing rooms of their pageant, the other hasn't.

 

One has been found by the DOJ of engaging in racist housing policies twice, the other hasn't.

 

One has more than a few times followed/liked/retweeted s#!t from alt-right and neo-nazi twitter accounts, the other hasn't.

 

One has openly asked our biggest geopolitical enemy to spy on their political opponent, the other hasn't.

 

That's only the easiest, smallest low hanging fruit start of the list.

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55 minutes ago, DevoHusker said:

I agree, but maybe this is a chance to get it right.

 

I have said in the past that there needs to be a common sense compromise on Roe and also on 2A. It seems no one can do anything unless it's all or nothing, and it sux.

We basically had that with Roe.Then in true fashion there could be no compromise and they've been chipping away at it from all angles for decades since the ruling.

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11 minutes ago, Lorewarn said:

 

 

You can speculate and imagine implications about the 'sketchy' nature of a career politician until you're blue in the face (we all understand that Biden, and politicians in general, are not and can not be squeaky clean), but when it comes down to the preponderance of direct evidence, there's no argument for what you're saying.

 

One of the two has had dozens of sexual assault allegations, the other hasn't.

 

One has professionally and politically surrounded themselves with criminals (some of them proven to be actual traitors, and some of them in prison), the other hasn't.

 

One has a consistent history of defrauding employees, contractors, partners, construction crews, "students" and so on out of millions of dollars, the other hasn't.

 

One has bragged about either committing or the idea of sexual assault and also admitted to watching minors change in dressing rooms of their pageant, the other hasn't.

 

One has been found by the DOJ of engaging in racist housing policies twice, the other hasn't.

 

One has more than a few times followed/liked/retweeted s#!t from alt-right and neo-nazi twitter accounts, the other hasn't.

 

One has openly asked our biggest geopolitical enemy to spy on their political opponent, the other hasn't.

 

That's only the easiest, smallest low hanging fruit start of the list.

 

You obvioiusly haven't paid attention then because Biden checks off every one of those boxes, except for the ones about ripping off contractors and housing practices because he's never actually built anything or been productive in any way. 

 

If you think I'm about to defend Trump, I'm not. But one of the slime balls we're talking about is a part of a protected class of people and gets his dirty laundry covered up, while the other somehow is an outsider and not only gets his dirty laundry shown for all to see, but also has his (already bad) laundry exaggerated and manipulated to make him seem even worse than he is (which is bad enough).

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1 hour ago, DevoHusker said:

I have said in the past that there needs to be a common sense compromise on Roe and also on 2A. It seems no one can do anything unless it's all or nothing, and it sux.

 

 

I'm confused here and not sure if I'm missing something - isn't the current status of Roe the common sense compromise? 

 

It federally protects the right to an abortion but it gives states the freedom to impose certain legal restrictions. 43 of the 50 states have a prohibition on abortion after a certain point in the pregnancy - that doesn't sound like all or nothing.

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1 hour ago, ActualCornHusker said:

 

Nobody is defending Trump's personal baggage here. You're reading what you want to read so you can claim that people who don't agree with your views lock-step are evil so you don't have to have a genuine conversation. It's what the left does every time.

 

Or.....I'm responding to an earlier post on the subject. 

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1 hour ago, Archy1221 said:

Since we were specifically talking a statutory rape case can we stick to that?  Or are you trying to muddy the waters knowing you have nothing to share on that end, because when reading the VOX article it’s pretty clear that case is bunk to any rational person and that’s the case you linked to just now.  If you had something else please share.   
 

Once you are done with that, we could discuss each of those individual cases and what kind of merit they have.   I mean one says Trump dated the women that accusing him!?!

 

 

In late April 2016, rumors began to circulate online holding that Republican presidential Donald Trump had either been sued over, or arrested for, raping a teenaged girl. One of the earliest versions of the rumor was published on 2 May 2016 by the Winning Democrats web site, which reported that woman using the name Katie Johnson had named Trump and billionaire Jeffrey Epstein in a $100 million lawsuit, accusing them of having solicited sex acts from her at sex parties held at the Manhattan homes of Epstein and Trump back in 1994 (when Johnson was just 13 years old):

The first major scandal to hit the Trump campaign besides the typical “what a racist, such a sexist, yada yada yada,” came from a lawsuit stemming from the infamous sex parties held by billionaire and known pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. The woman named in the suit is Katie Johnson, who says Trump took her virginity in 1994 when she was only 13 and being held by Epstein as a slave.

Johnson says in the complaint that Trump and Epstein threatened her and her family with bodily harm if she didn’t comply with all of their disgusting demands. The Trump campaign has been on this immediately, calling it absolute nonsense and not even remotely true or possible.

Many aggregated reports cited a 28 April 2016 article that described the circumstances under which the lawsuit had been filed:

Presidential frontrunner Donald Trump is fighting what could be the biggest election season bombshell yet — explosive court claims that he raped a woman when she was a teen.

The woman — identified as Katie Johnson — filed documents in a California court on April 26, accusing Trump and billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein of “sexual abuse under threat of harm” and “conspiracy to deprive civil rights,” RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned.

She filed the lawsuit herself — without legal representation — and is suing for $100 million.

A copy of the California lawsuit (filed on 26 April 2016) shared via the Scribd web site outlined the allegations, which included the accusation that Trump and Epstein had (over 20 years earlier) “sexually and physically” abused the then 13-year-old plaintiff and forced her “to engage in various perverted and depraved sex acts” — including being “forced to manually stimulate Defendant Trump with the use of her hand upon Defendant Trump’s erect penis until he reached sexual orgasm,” and being “forced to engage in an unnatural lesbian sex act with her fellow minor and sex slave, Maria Doe, age 12, for the sexual enjoyment of Defendant Trump” — after luring her to a “series of underage sex parties” by promising her “money and a modeling career”:

According to RadarOnline’s initial reporting, the lawsuit filed in California on 26 April 2016 was dismissed over technical filing errors (the address listed in court documents was a foreclosed home that has been vacant since its owner died), with the plaintiff failing in her attempt to avoid incurring the cost of the litigation:

A judge recommended on April 29 that “Katie Johnson” should have to pay her own attorneys’ fees and court costs related to the $100 million lawsuit she brought against Trump and billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein over alleged sexual assault charges. Then on May 2, a U.S. District judge ordered the entire lawsuit thrown out.

“Johnson” had previously filed forms asking to be let off the hook for the costs of the lawsuit, claiming she had only $300 to her name … such an allowance — known as in forma paupers — is only given in civil rights cases in California, and the judge ruled that she “failed to state a claim for relief” on a civil rights basis, even though she “utilized the form provided by the Central District of California for civil actions.”

“Even construing the … pleading liberally, Plaintiff has not alleged any race-based or class-based animus against her, and consequently, her … allegations fail to state a claim upon which relief may be granted,” the judge wrote … the address listed on the paperwork leads to an abandoned property, and the phone number goes straight to voicemail.

For his part, Trump asserted that the charges were “not only categorically false, but disgusting at the highest level and clearly framed to solicit media attention or, perhaps, are simply politically motivated,” adding that “There is absolutely no merit to these allegations. Period.”

On 20 June 2016, New York City-based blog Gothamist reported that the plaintiff had refiled a similar complaint in a New York State federal court:

A federal lawsuit filed in New York accuses Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump of repeatedly raping a 13-year-old girl more than 20 years ago, at several Upper East Side parties hosted by convicted sex offender and notorious billionaire investor Jeffrey Epstein.

The suit, first reported by the Real Deal, accuses Trump and Epstein of luring the anonymous plaintiff and other young women to four parties at Epstein’s so-called Wexner Mansion at 9 East 71st Street. Epstein allegedly lured the plaintiff, identified in the suit only as Jane Doe, with promises of a modeling career and cash.

Another anonymous woman, identified in additional testimony as Tiffany Doe, corroborates Jane’s allegations, testifying that she met Epstein at Port Authority, where he hired her to recruit other young girls for his parties. Trump had known Epstein for seven years in 1994 when he attended the parties at Wexner, according to the suit. He also allegedly knew that the plaintiff was 13 years old.

Jane Doe filed a similar suit in California in April, under the name Katie Johnson, also accusing Trump and Epstein of rape. That suit was dismissed on the grounds of improper paperwork — the address affiliated with her name was found to be abandoned. Today’s suit confirms that the plaintiffs are one and the same.

The online outlet that first reported the second filing in New York explained that the lawsuit might be allowed to proceed even though the statute of limitations for bringing suit has expired, because (according to plaintiff’s lawyer) the plaintiff lacked the “freedom of will to institute suit earlier in time” due to her having been threatened by Trump:

It should be noted that anyone can file a civil complaint in federal court. The statute of limitations in New York for civil rape cases is five years, but [the] complaint argues that the time limit should be waived, noting that the plaintiff was too frightened to report the abuse because Trump had threatened that if she did “her family would be physically harmed if not killed.”

“Both defendants let plaintiff know that each was a very wealthy, powerful man and indicated that they had the power, ability and means to carry out their threats,” the complaint claims.

A copy of the New York-based suit was also uploaded to Scribd, and in the second filing (which asked for no specific amount of monetary damages) the plaintiff was represented by Thomas Francis Meagher, a New Jersey patent lawyer who learned of her allegations via an article published on the GossipExtra web site advertising that she was “shopping for an attorney.” In a statement attached to her filing, the plaintiff (aka “Jane Doe”) asserted:

I traveled by bus to New York City in June 1994 in the hope of starting a modeling career. I went to several modeling agencies but was told that I needed to put together a modeling portfolio before I would be considered. I then went to the Port Authority in New York City to start to make my way back home. There I met a woman who introduced herself to me as Tiffany. She told me about the parties and said that, if I would join her at the parties, I would be introduced to people who could get me into the modeling profession. Tiffany also told me I would be paid for attending.

The parties were held at a New York City residence that was being used by Defendant Jeffrey Epstein. Each of the parties had other minor females and a number of guests of Mr. Epstein, including Defendant Donald Trump at four of the parties I attended. I understood that both Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein knew I was 13 years old.

Defendant Trump had sexual contact with me at four different parties in the summer of 1994. On the fourth and fnial sexual encounter with Defendant Trump, Defendant Trump tied me to a bed, exposed himself to me, and then proceeded to forcibly rape me. During the course of this savage sexual attack, I loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to stop but he did not. Defendant Trump responded to my pleas by violently striking me in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted,

Immediately following this rape, Defendant Trump threatened me that, were I ever to reveal any of the details of Defendant Trump’s sexual and physical abuse of me, my family and I wold be physically harmed if not killed.

The filing also included a statement from “Tiffany Doe” (i.e., the woman referenced in plaintiff’s statement above who brought her to the parties) attesting that:

I personally witnessed four sexual encounters that the Plaintiff was forced to have with Mr. Trump during this period, including the fourth of these encounters where Mr. Trump forcibly raped her despite her pleas to stop.

I personally witnessed the one occasion where Mr. Trump forced the Plaintiff and a 12-year-old female named Maria [to] perform oral sex on Mr. Trump and witnessed his physical abuse of both minors when they finished the act.

It was my job to personally witness and supervise encounters between the underage girls that Mr. Epstein hired and his guests.

A video reportedly featuring “Katie Johnson” (her identity hidden through the use of facial pixillation, a long blonde wig, and an electronic voice distorter) appeared online, in which she graphically described giving Donald Trump a hand job and being raped by him:

 
There is little doubt that Donald Trump knew Jeffrey Epstein, as Trump acknowledged in a 2002 New York magazine profile of Epstein:

Epstein likes to tell people that he’s a loner, a man who’s never touched alcohol or drugs, and one whose nightlife is far from energetic. And yet if you talk to Donald Trump, a different Epstein emerges. “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump booms from a speakerphone. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

Epstein had been named in multiple similar lawsuits over the previous several years, served 13 months in jail, and was registered as a sex offender for life:

Billionaire sex offender Jeffrey Epstein has paid another accuser.

The 56-year-old money manager has quietly settled with Jane Doe 102, an unnamed woman who alleged in federal court in Florida that Epstein had induced her to “serve his every sexual whim” from the time she was 15 until she was 19. The woman also claimed Epstein had flown her around the world, paying her “to be sexually exploited by [his friends] … including royalty, politicians, academicians [and] businessmen.”

Epstein flatly denied those charges. But a source close to the financier confirms “the matter has been resolved to the satisfaction of both parties.” The woman’s lawyer, Robert Josefsberg, wouldn’t say how much she’s getting. Epstein had in the past offered accusers a minimum of $150,000.

Epstein has settled at least two other civil suits but still faces more than a dozen from women who claim he sexually abused them as minors at his Palm Beach mansion.

As of now, all of the information about this lawsuit comes solely from the complaint filed by “Katie Johnson,” and no one has as yet located, identified, or interviewed her. She was scheduled to appear at a press conference on 2 November 2016 but didn’t show up, asserting that threats to her life kept her away. She reportedly dropped the lawsuit again on 4 November 2016 for the same reason.

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So now, lets talk about this. 

 

1) Do we know Trump was a close associate of Epstien - YEP

2) Do we know Esptein was a pedo - YEP

3) Do we know Esptein and Maxwell actively recruited for sex parities - YEP

4) Do we know that Trump and his legal team engaged in threatening behaviors to silence people - YEP

5) Do we know that Trump employs NDA's to ensure silence of victims and co-conspirators - YEP

6) Do we know that most normal people to don't have the funds to withstand an onslaught of Trump's legal team - YEP

7) Do we know that Trump frequently has tried to buy off people to keep them silent - YEP

 

I don't tend to lend credence to salacious stories like these. But when you read the depositions, and recognize that it all fits Trump's repeatedly shown patterns. There is 95% chance this is truthful IMO.  

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10 hours ago, Lorewarn said:

 

 

Well, only 19% of the culture thinks abortions should be illegal under all circumstances, so the cultural change has happened, and the legal one is presumably about to go against it.

That is only part of the shift. People that say a baby in the womb is not fully human and just a fetus until it comes out are just as nonsensical as those that say no abortion ever. A cultural shift would be for people to treat abortion like a life and death decision and do what is best for all involved. 

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1 hour ago, Lorewarn said:

 

 

I'm glad to check out some substantiated sources on Biden checking all those boxes.

 

1 hour ago, Lorewarn said:

 

 

You can speculate and imagine implications about the 'sketchy' nature of a career politician until you're blue in the face (we all understand that Biden, and politicians in general, are not and can not be squeaky clean), but when it comes down to the preponderance of direct evidence, there's no argument for what you're saying.

 

One of the two has had dozens of sexual assault allegations, the other hasn't.

How about a credible and corroborated account of Joe fingering a woman without permission

Not to mention the pedophilic tendencies in broad daylight including pinching a young girl's nipple

 

One has professionally and politically surrounded themselves with criminals (some of them proven to be actual traitors, and some of them in prison), the other hasn't.

Have you heard of Hunter Biden, Joe Biden's bag-man? well... Here you go.

 

One has a consistent history of defrauding employees, contractors, partners, construction crews, "students" and so on out of millions of dollars, the other hasn't.

Joe has never been productive in society so I'll skip this one

 

One has bragged about either committing or the idea of sexual assault and also admitted to watching minors change in dressing rooms of their pageant, the other hasn't.

 

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"I felt him get closer to me from behind. He leaned further in and inhaled my hair. I was mortified," Flores wrote. "He proceeded to plant a big slow kiss on the back of my head. My brain couldn’t process what was happening. I was embarrassed. I was shocked. I was confused."

 

Since then, three women told similar allegations stories to the New York Times and another three on Wednesday came forward in the Post. 

 

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One has been found by the DOJ of engaging in racist housing policies twice, the other hasn't.

Again, Joe has never built anything, but here's a fun video with just a few examples: Joe being racist (and weird). Mostly Joe's racism comes in the standard Democrat form: Bigotry of low expectations.

 

One has more than a few times followed/liked/retweeted s#!t from alt-right and neo-nazi twitter accounts, the other hasn't.

There's no shortage of horrendous things Joe Biden has said or lied about

Oh, don't forget when he casually threatened American citizens with nukes

 

One has openly asked our biggest geopolitical enemy to spy on their political opponent, the other hasn't.

1st of all, that's quite the leftist exaggeration of what Trump did, but what do you think about Biden telling Russia (and all of our other enemies) exactly where we are most vulnerable

Or what about the shady deals with the CCP

 

That's only the easiest, smallest low hanging fruit start of the list.

 

Links can be found within the quote of your post. Enjoy.

 

What I posted is literally just scratching the surface. There should be no doubt that the Biden family are liars and criminals, similar to the Clintons but not to the scale that the Clintons were able to achieve (that we know of).

 

Biden is every bad adjective that has been used to describe Trump, and more.

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12 minutes ago, nic said:

That is only part of the shift. People that say a baby in the womb is not fully human and just a fetus until it comes out are just as nonsensical as those that say no abortion ever. A cultural shift would be for people to treat abortion like a life and death decision and do what is best for all involved. 

 

Question: If we acknowledge that a baby in the womb is a human being, how do we reconcile that with the idea of allowing any abortions at all? I'm just genuinely interested in the rationale here.

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1 hour ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

Seems like both sides have motivation to leak this. D's to create outrage, R's to create focus on the leak, and not the decision. Also gotta love the 'DONT TAKE MA RIGHTS' crowd, out here trying to take away peoples rights. Looks like Alito is coming for gay marriage and what 2 consenting adults do in the bed room, next - but keep preaching about MA RIGHTS. 

I posted this in another thread.  But, it gives an interesting view of possible motivation.

 

 

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1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said:

I see you have no comment on the actual subject of the thread that actually gives reasoning for her thoughts.

 

Doesn't really matter who leaked it - they should be fired at the very least, and potentially prosecuted.

 

But the most likely explanation for the leak was that a radical leftist leaked it knowing that the intimidation forces would be set upon the 5 who are voting to overturn it to try to get them to change their vote before the decision is made official.

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