bugeater17 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said: https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/mueller-report-says-messaging-apps-likely-destroyed-trump-russia-evidence https://www.npr.org/2019/04/18/708965026/highlights-from-the-mueller-report https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2019/04/18/sean-hannity-lies-about-trump-campaign-and-associates-destroying-evidence/223513 Hannity lied to you buddy. I must have missed where there was evidence Trump directed the deletion? Also, didn't see anything about matters being deleted or erased from Trumps computers.. so nice try. Just because a witness may have deleted does not mean Trump was complicit. If there was evidence of such, I would agree Trump was in the wrong. 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, bugeater17 said: I must have missed where there was evidence Trump directed the deletion? Also, didn't see anything about matters being deleted or erased from Trumps computers.. so nice try. Just because a witness may have deleted does not mean Trump was complicit. If there was evidence of such, I would agree Trump was in the wrong. That's right. If someone has a D beside their name, they're EVIL and should be LOCKED UP. If they have an R.....well....that's different. 1 Link to comment
bugeater17 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 50 minutes ago, bugeater17 said: If you are going to investigate him do so with unbiased investigators. Do so with investigators who aren't using the investigation as an insurance policy. Do so with actual verifiable facts and not those made up and/or paid for by a political opponent. 5 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: Completely made up propaganda by someone who personally benefits from you believing that. What is made up or untrue? Stzrock, the lead investigator, was biased. His texts are self explanatory. The Steele Dossier was full of unverifiable facts. 1 Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, bugeater17 said: Are we talking about Hillary now? Because Trump hasn't been accused of deleting or hiding evidence. Instead, the potential obstruction issues have to do with how he reacted to being investigated and conversations about firing individuals... 2 minutes ago, bugeater17 said: I must have missed where there was evidence Trump directed the deletion? Also, didn't see anything about matters being deleted or erased from Trumps computers.. so nice try. Just because a witness may have deleted does not mean Trump was complicit. If there was evidence of such, I would agree Trump was in the wrong. The backtracking is real. All I said was he was hiding evidence. You say he hasn't been accused of hiding or deleting evidence which isn't true, he has been accused of such, now its 'well there is no evidence he directed deletion of evidence...from a computer!' Come on bro, this is getting ridiculous. Until you start providing actual sources like everyone else then I can't take your arguments seriously. You clearly haven't read any of the report and you are just spouting Fox talking points. 1 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 hour ago, bugeater17 said: He is your president as well. Sadly, you're right. Let's work to rectify that situation. 1 1 Link to comment
bugeater17 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, BlitzFirst said: Actually, no. I supported Trump previously. I changed my mind when it was obvious the guy was a buffoon and he LIED directly to people constantly. Instead of relying on the sewage coming out of his mouth, I did my own research. I started finding out that I had been lied to by him and by the media. Now if opinion pieces come out, I ignore them. I research on my own and I make informed decisions on topics. You should do the same. You're currently not doing that. HA! Ok. 1 Link to comment
bugeater17 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said: The backtracking is real. All I said was he was hiding evidence. You say he hasn't been accused of hiding or deleting evidence which isn't true, he has been accused of such, now its 'well there is no evidence he directed deletion of evidence...from a computer!' Come on bro, this is getting ridiculous. Until you start providing actual sources like everyone else then I can't take your arguments seriously. You clearly haven't read any of the report and you are just spouting Fox talking points. Your misunderstanding of the report is real. Evidence from certain witnesses was not available due "that feature encryption or that do not provide for long-term retention of data or communications records." https://www.npr.org/2019/04/18/708965026/highlights-from-the-mueller-report In fact, the report does not even go so far as to say there was anything nefarious about the encryptions of witnesses systems or document retention policy. There are a whole host of reasons why and the fact you choose to make assumptions is not something anyone else other than yourself control. Put simply, there is NO evidence the unavailability of that evidence has anything to do with Trump. 1 Link to comment
RedDenver Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 I wonder if this tangent into the Mueller Report is so we don't talk about immigration and the children being locked up in cages. Six migrant children have died in U.S. custody. Here’s what we know about them 1 2 Link to comment
bugeater17 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, BlitzFirst said: Great rebuttal! Being serious man. Stop relying on opinion fluff pieces. Do your own research. Make up your own mind. When someone else makes it up for you, you're in a cult. Your post was an attack on my intelligence and research abilities and ability to comprehend what I read. Similarly, your post was based on a false premise that I don't do my own research or can analyze what I read. Therefore, your post got the attention that it deserved. 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 56 minutes ago, bugeater17 said: Your post was an attack on my intelligence and research abilities and ability to comprehend what I read. Similarly, your post was based on a false premise that I don't do my own research or can analyze what I read. Therefore, your post got the attention that it deserved. Well, when you do nothing but repeat what trump tells you, it’s a pretty easy conclusion to come to. 3 Link to comment
RedDenver Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I’m a Jewish historian. Yes, we should call border detention centers “concentration camps.” Quote Meanwhile, Americans offended at the use of “concentration camp” should acquaint themselves with our own history of civilian detention. As early as 1862, American forces interned Dakota women and children at Fort Snelling. George Takei tweeted this week regarding the mass internment of Japanese Americans during World War II, “I know what concentration camps are. I was inside two of them, in America. And yes, we are operating such camps again.” Applying the term “concentration camp” to the indefinite detention without trial of thousands of civilians in inhumane conditions — under armed guard and without adequate provisions or medical care — is not just appropriate, it’s necessary. Invoking the word does not demean the memory of the Holocaust. Instead, the lessons of the Holocaust will be lost if we refuse to engage with them. Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 It makes me sad in my fellow human being that this doesn't appear to be a bigger deal to people. Hell, I'm sure there are stringent anti-immigrant folks out there who love the crack down on illegal immigrants and think we're doing the right thing. I don't get how someone could think these camps are the right thing to do. But I suppose there were people who cheered internment camps at one point, too. Fun fact: The first judge shown that this woman is arguing to was in one of those camps as a boy. Sounds like they're gearing up for sting operations to detain more illegal immigrants in major cities tomorrow. I'm guessing even harsher policies are going to be the focus for re-election. My heart is heavy after seeing the tactics used by some of these thugs. 1 Link to comment
NM11046 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Not just letting it happen - he's gathering up even more this weekend to subjugate to this torture. And the GOP idiots are arguing about the semantics of calling them concentration camps. 1 Link to comment
ZRod Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 The line of thinking is that these atrocities will deter any one from crossing the border illegally with their family. Plain and simple this philosophy doesn't work. Illegal crossings are up despite the inhumane treatment. To continue down the same path is insanity, unamerican, and utterly inhumane. People need to be jailed for these human rights violations. 1 Link to comment
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