The First Trump Impeachment Thread

[TGHusker]

The Turtle is now threatening no Senate trial if the Dems hold up the process.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7809853/House-Democrats-begin-agitating-Nancy-Pelosi-HOLD-articles-impeachment-leverage.html

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Mitch McConnell threatened on Thursday to cancel Donald Trump's impeachment trial in the Senate if 'scared' Nancy Pelosi refuses to send him the formal articles of impeachment that Democrats passed Wednesday night.

The Speaker of the House and the Senate Majority leader went to war over next steps in the impeachment process, with Pelosi slamming McConnell as a 'rogue leader'⁠—and he blasted her indictment of the president as 'slapdash' and 'unfair.'

The dispute exploded into the open the morning after Democrats voted to impeach Trump, with the president bragging he coulld prevaIl by 'default.'

'If the Do Nothing Democrats decide, in their great wisdom, not to show up, they would lose by Default!,' Trump argued on Twitter of his upcoming Senate trial, which is now in doubt. 

 

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He and the president both blasted Pelosi for refusing to move to the next step, with Trump unleashing a storm of tweets and retweets and venting: 'PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT.' 

McConnell also criticized Democrats on the Senate floor, accusing them of creating what he called an 'unfair, unfinished product'—Tcharges rump that stemmed from 'partisan rage.'

Calling Pelosi's work 'constitutionally incoherent,' he said impeaching a president on the basis of political disagreements would 'invite an endless parade of impeachable trials' in the future, making House leaders 'free to toss up a jump-ball every time they feel angry.'

'She's failed the country,' McConnell said. 

'It was like the speaker called up Chairman [Jerrold] Nadler and ordered up "One impeachment, rushed delivery, please".'

 

 

[commando]

i'm old enough to remember when the republicans were saying the impeachment was going to fast.  

[LumberJackSker]

1 hour ago, knapplc said:

 

Why do you think people would vote for Trump again?

 

I mean, I know his voters ignored the whole "Grab 'em by the pu&&y" thing and a myriad of other offenses that would have sunk any other candidate, so it's possible. But are they just going to overlook America's isolation, our fractured alliance with NATO, the disaster in North Korea, all the private meetings with Putin, and the whole list of other things Trump's done while in office?

 

I mean, honestly - what's the appeal of a guy who's done all this, and more?

How many trump supporters have you met that have changed their mind? They dont care about nato thats just america protecting a bunch of socialists. Private meetings with putin are also fine because he's not a lib. They dont care about issues just that trump tells them they're winning.

[teachercd]

15 minutes ago, LumberJackSker said:

How many trump supporters have you met that have changed their mind? They dont care about nato thats just america protecting a bunch of socialists. Private meetings with putin are also fine because he's not a lib. They dont care about issues just that trump tells them they're winning.

Honestly...there are a ton of Trump supporters, even ones posting here pretending like they are not Trump supporters.  It is the same thing that happened last election.  Every single site/poll/survey told us how Hillary was going to win by record margins and well that was not the case, why?  Because people were not being honest about their vote.

[Nebfanatic]

10 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Honestly...there are a ton of Trump supporters, even ones posting here pretending like they are not Trump supporters.  It is the same thing that happened last election.  Every single site/poll/survey told us how Hillary was going to win by record margins and well that was not the case, why?  Because people were not being honest about their vote.

I think this is true to an extent but was made worse by Clinton being the Dem nominee. She was so unlikable to many, I think a candidate like Sanders or Warren would hold their poll numbers better than Clinton did based on that aspect. Many didn't like Trump in 2016 but voted for him because they liked Hillary less.

[teachercd]

Just now, Nebfanatic said:

I think this is true to an extent but was made worse by Clinton being the Dem nominee. She was so unlikable to many, I think a candidate like Sanders or Warren would hold their poll numbers better than Clinton did based on that aspect. Many didn't like Trump in 2016 but voted for him because they liked Hillary less.

I would imagine that played a huge part in it too.  

[Nebfanatic]

4 minutes ago, teachercd said:

I would imagine that played a huge part in it too.  

That's not to say people aren't going to play their feelings close to the vest again this year, but the dynamics of the 2016 election were so unique and I think this election will be similar in that it will be very unique. It will be interesting to see how everything plays out. 

[QMany]

20 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Every single site/poll/survey told us how Hillary was going to win by record margins and well that was not the case, why? 

 

The polls were actually pretty accurate, even after Comey's blunder. 

 

538's Election Forecast:

• Hillary Clinton 48.5%
• Donald Trump 44.9%

Actual results:

• Hillary Clinton 48.2%
• Donald Trump 46.1%

 

I don't recall any/many predicting record margins.

• 538's Election Forecast: Clinton 302 - 235 Trump
• Nixon won 520-17
• Reagan won 525-13
• Obama even won 365-173. 

[teachercd]

1 minute ago, Nebfanatic said:

That's not to say people aren't going to play their feelings close to the vest again this year, but the dynamics of the 2016 election were so unique and I think this election will be similar in that it will be very unique. It will be interesting to see how everything plays out. 

 

Last election was one of the most interesting I have ever seen and I think you are right, this upcoming will be very interesting too.

[teachercd]

6 minutes ago, QMany said:

 

The polls were actually pretty accurate, even after Comey's blunder. 

 

538's Election Forecast:

• Hillary Clinton 48.5%
• Donald Trump 44.9%

Actual results:

• Hillary Clinton 48.2%
• Donald Trump 46.1%

 

I don't recall any/many predicting record margins.

• 538's Election Forecast: Clinton 302 - 235 Trump
• Nixon won 520-17
• Reagan won 525-13
• Obama even won 365-173. 

Was there one poll that had Trump winning? I don't remember if there was but it didn't seem like it and gambling sites (who tend to be more accurate than anyone else) had Hillary winning with ease, or at least mine did, trust me, they took my money!

 

My god, look at those Reagan numbers and Nixon numbers...unreal!

[Nebfanatic]

4 minutes ago, teachercd said:

 

Last election was one of the most interesting I have ever seen and I think you are right, this upcoming will be very interesting too.

Say what you will about Trump, but he has certainly boosted the ratings. I'm pretty young, but  has there ever been a time where the focus of the country has been on politics this much? Maybe social media just makes it feel that way though.

[knapplc]

6 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

Say what you will about Trump, but he has certainly boosted the ratings. I'm pretty young, but  has there ever been a time where the focus of the country has been on politics this much? Maybe social media just makes it feel that way though.

 

The 60s. When the Boomers were late teens/early 20s.

 

And they're recreating that drama now that they have control over the country.  Funny, huh?

[teachercd]

5 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

Say what you will about Trump, but he has certainly boosted the ratings. I'm pretty young, but  has there ever been a time where the focus of the country has been on politics this much? Maybe social media just makes it feel that way though.

So true and really he took debating to a different level.  It was like watching a varsity debate team captain vs a novice freshmen.  And the if you are going to debate him and win you need a strategy that works.  That is where I think Sanders is the only one that can debate with him.  I don't think Warren can or knows how to debate like that.  I think it is either in your blood or it isn't it.  

[Landlord]

2 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

The 60s. When the Boomers were late teens/early 20s.

 

And they're recreating that drama now that they have control over the country.  Funny, huh?

 

 

 

who woulda thought the flower child 'revolution' generation would be the ones ushering in an era of wannabe autocratism

[BigRedBuster]