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1 minute ago, commando said:

so....next democratic debate....1 of the candidates  says "china...if you're listening....we can make a trade deal as soon as i become president if you give us dirt on trump"   the republicans would STFU because it's all good.   

 

 

 

Not quite. It's only if you win the election that this works. I don't understand the nuances of why, but I am clear that this is the logic. So, if a person did that and didn't win the election, it would be illegal. If they did it and won, then it would be something that every president has done that doesn't rise to the level of impeachment. 

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You have long ago proven yourself to be intellectually dishonest and resistant to facts and reason.

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As Guy mentioned in his post, the Dems I think would have had a stronger case (it was still strong but not strong enough to shame the GOP to turn on their leader) if they presented the other issues starting wt Mueller investigation, Article 25 amendment 4 issues, his unfitness for office, using the office to enrich his Trump Org, etc 

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13 minutes ago, Huskerzoo said:

 

Not quite. It's only if you win the election that this works. I don't understand the nuances of why, but I am clear that this is the logic. So, if a person did that and didn't win the election, it would be illegal. If they did it and won, then it would be something that every president has done that doesn't rise to the level of impeachment. 

Well....that's been proven through what the Republicans have proclaimed.  Hillary and the Democrats are horrible corrupt people for hiring a foreign national to write a dossier on Trump.  Trump is perfectly legal and right to use American's money to pressure Ukraine into digging up dirt on the Biden's.

 

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No case made would move this Senate to remove. It doesn't matter if they went broad scope or with an impeachment such as this.

 

Honestly I think they went after this because of the sloppiness. Giuliani involved, Lev Parnas involved, multiple people voicing concerns over this shadow policy. There is an incredible paper trail that shows the President used US taxpayer money to extort help in an upcoming election out of a foreign leader. It was provable, current and clearly worthy of impeachment. They struck while the iron was hot and still have a laundry list of other offenses they can impeach with again.

 

Don't think the Mueller investigation is dead. Don't think Trumps financials won't come back to bite him. The House is still doing investigative work as we speak. But this Ukraine issue is just as important and impeachable as the others if not more and the proof was relatively easy to uncover. I think the Democrats did the right thing 

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1 hour ago, QMany said:

 

 

I respectfully disagree. Bribing/extorting a foreign country, with taxpayer money, to announce ginned-up investigations of a political opponent is unequivocally impeachable and worthy of removal.

 

I do agree that it is on a long list of other impeachable acts.

 

It's not a legal trial, but "reasonable doubt" still applies, and unfortunately the horrible optics of Hunter Biden offered just enough political cover for this single act. 

 

Reasonable doubt disappears when you establish a pattern of pathological behavior. It's not so much what Donald Trump did. It's what he could do next. He's a risk to everybody and everything he touches. As hyperbolic as that sounds, you can prove it. 

 

Also, you probably don't want to go down the rabbit hole of how taxpayer money is used for subversive political purposes. Not many presidents would survive it. 

 

 

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Again, there was never a chance the Senate was going to remove the President. 

 

This was about putting it on the public record and forcing every Republican up for election to explain themselves now and forever. 

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11 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

Again, there was never a chance the Senate was going to remove the President. 

 

This was about putting it on the public record and forcing every Republican up for election to explain themselves now and forever. 

I agree with this. And, it’s very clear that all but two Republicans want as much of this kept quiet as possible.
 

I know which side of that I fall as a voter who expects their elected officials to be held accountable.  

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18 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

I agree with this. And, it’s very clear that all but two Republicans want as much of this kept quiet as possible.
 

I know which side of that I fall as a voter who expects their elected officials to be held accountable.  

 

You're not alone.

 

I think the general thinking on the GOP's part is that they averted disaster and can return to life as normal now.

 

I'm really not sure this actually helps them come November. Plenty of us are going to remember this.

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At this point, I'm so numb to any wrongdoings by any of them that I just want it over with, much like I felt when this was first announced.  Presidents and VP's do shady s#!t with foreign entities, all the time.  Constantly.  And most of it is stuff we the public either don't need to know about or don't want to know about.  The difference here is that Trump didn't have all the branches approval.  The only reason Biden DID was because they just didn't give a damn.  Trump is such an entity that everything he does is looked at with a different intent.

 

So in the end, this didn't accomplish much in my opinion.  Obviously I'm probably wrong.  The anti Trump crowd will herald this as a stain on the GOP and that's fine and dandy.  The GOP is brushing this off their shoulder and business as usual.  Me over here, I'm just actually looking forward to seeing who the Dems put up against Trump for the election, the thing that actually has some implications on who leads this nation.

 

Feel free to tear this apart, I'm basically checking out for the week.  Going to go sample a nice variety of Glenlivet tonight, 5 different kinds!  Pretty stoked about that.

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1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

Raise your hand if you didn't even know Estonia was currently a country again.

 

Also, I agree with him.  We (The US) needs to stop doing this and we need to leave other countries alone and we need to focus/spend on America first.

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42 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Raise your hand if you didn't even know Estonia was currently a country again.

 

Also, I agree with him.  We (The US) needs to stop doing this and we need to leave other countries alone and we need to focus/spend on America first.

i am sure he was being sarcastic

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