The First Trump Impeachment Thread

[VectorVictor]

28 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

Trump pulling out of Syria, placating Russia, empowering ISIS, and betraying the Kurds who fought for us. Even Mulvaney's blatant admission of quid pro quo on Ukraine, and Rudy Guliani looking like an incompetent member of Tony Soprano's crew pales next to this:

 

Donald Trump has subverted longstanding GOP and conservative policy to do exactly what Vladimir Putin wanted the U.S. to do. 

 

No MSM filters or agenda on this one. It's right there in the open.

 

Thoughts, Trump supporters?

 

The silence is rather deafening. 

 

 

[NM11046]

24 minutes ago, VectorVictor said:

 

The silence is rather deafening. 

 

 

URANIUM ONE.  
 

 

[funhusker]

48 minutes ago, NM11046 said:

URANIUM ONE.  
 

 

Not to equate the Uranium One story and the Ukraine story, but it is pretty ironic to compare the two through the eyes of a conspiracy theorist Trump supporter.

 

Uranium One was supposedly a big deal because Clinton was using her political position to benefit personally through the sale of Uranium One.  This was a huge problem and she should be charged with treason because of her nerve to do something so horrible.  Then just today, the President's Chief of Staff tells us to "get used to it!".  "Personal politics are just part of foreign policy!"....

 

 

[knapplc]

This is pretty succinct.

 

 

[TGHusker]

2 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

I guess it takes a Cavanaugh Confirmation or a slightly less than conclusive Mueller Report to bring out the Trump supporters on this board. I don't expect to see them now, but I am curious what they're thinking.

 

This is moving so fast it's hard to digest a single appalling element, but I do think we took a sharp turn with Trump pulling out of Syria, placating Russia, empowering ISIS, and betraying the Kurds who fought for us. Even Mulvaney's blatant admission of quid pro quo on Ukraine, and Rudy Guliani looking like an incompetent member of Tony Soprano's crew pales next to this:

 

Donald Trump has subverted longstanding GOP and conservative policy to do exactly what Vladimir Putin wanted the U.S. to do. 

 

No MSM filters or agenda on this one. It's right there in the open.

 

Thoughts, Trump supporters?

Of course I'm not a trump supporter but I wanted to add that I think you are spot on.  The last 2 weeks have been a whirl wind that I think few of us could imagine.  Under normal times, there would be people taking to the streets in our country so big that we would demand he be removed from office immediately.  But because the GOP is in his back pocket, and because he has supported some evangelical concerns over the years (out of political expediency and not out of core values - his only core value is to do what is best for Trump and his brand), we do not have any up rising from the conservative right even though Trump has broken the core values of what 'old conservatives' stood for.  Even Nixon supporters knew when it was time to throw in the towel.  We are well beyond that point wt Trump. 

 

Trump in his arrogance thinks he is untouchable and can do unethical things without consequences.  For once in his life, I hope the full force of the consequences comes to bear on him whereby he for the fist time in his life has to ask forgiveness & say he was wrong.  In fact I hope some judge tells him a part of his sentence is to admit his failure, and  to say the words "I was wrong. Please forgive me."  I think that would be worse than 40 lashes for him.  (remember his quote that he never had to do so- evangelicals should have ran as fast as they could from him upon hearing that arrogant statement). Then I hope the judge puts him in jail for 40 years.  He is despicable! 

[TGHusker]

Peggy Noonan editorializes that 'the mood is changing'.   Trump shouldn't take impeachment and acquittal for granted.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-impeachment-needle-may-soon-move-11571352274

 

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Things are more fluid than they seem. That’s my impression of Washington right now. There’s something quiet going on, a mood shift.

Impeachment of course will happen. The House will support whatever charges are ultimately introduced because most Democrats think the president is not fully sane and at least somewhat criminal. Also they’re Democrats and he’s a Republican. The charges will involve some level of foreign-policy malfeasance.

The ultimate outcome depends on the Senate. It takes 67 votes to convict. Republicans control the Senate 53-47, and it is unlikely 20 of them will agree to remove a president of their own party. An acquittal is likely but not fated, because we live in the age of the unexpected.

Here are three reasons to think the situation is more fluid than we realize.

First, the president, confident of acquittal, has chosen this moment to let his inner crazy flourish daily and dramatically—the fights and meltdowns, the insults, the Erdogan letter. Just when the president needs to be enacting a certain stability he enacts its opposite. It is possible he doesn’t appreciate the jeopardy he’s in with impeachment bearing down; it is possible he knows and what behavioral discipline he has is wearing down.

The second is that the Republican leader of the Senate, Mitch McConnell, told his caucus this week to be prepared for a trial that will go six days a week and could last six to eight weeks. In September there had been talk the Senate might receive articles of impeachment and execute a quick, brief response—a short trial, or maybe a motion to dismiss. Mr. McConnell told CNBC then that the Senate would have “no choice” but to take up impeachment, but “how long you are on it is a different matter.” Now he sees the need for a major and lengthy undertaking. Part of the reason would be practical: He is blunting attack lines that the Republicans arrogantly refused to give impeachment the time it deserves. But his decision also gives room for the unexpected—big and serious charges that sweep public opinion and change senators’ votes. “There is a mood change in terms of how much they can tolerate,” said a former high Senate staffer. Senators never know day to day how bad things will get.

The third reason is the number of foreign-policy professionals who are not ducking testimony in the House but plan to testify or have already. Suppressed opposition to President Trump among foreign-service officers and others is busting out.

The president is daily eroding his position. His Syria decision was followed by wholly predictable tragedy; it may or may not have been eased by the announcement Thursday of a five-day cease-fire. Before that the House voted 354-60, including 129 Republicans, to rebuke the president. There was the crazy letter to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, which was alternately pleading (“You can make a great deal. . . . I will call you later”) and threatening (“I don’t want to be responsible for destroying the Turkish economy—and I will”).

There was the Cabinet Room meeting with congressional leaders, the insults hurled and the wildness of the photo that said it all—the angry president; Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House, standing and pointing at him; and the head of Gen. Mark Milley, the new chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, bowed in—embarrassment? Horror? His was not the only bowed head.

The president soon tweeted about a constitutional officer of the U.S. House, who is third in line for the presidency: “Nancy Pelosi needs help fast! There is either something wrong with her ‘upstairs’ or she just plain doesn’t like our great Country. She had a total meltdown in the White House today. It was very sad to watch. Pray for her, she is a very sick person!”

 

 

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That meeting will only fortify Mrs. Pelosi’s determination to impeach him.

The president tweeted out the picture of that meeting just as the White House made public the Erdogan letter—because they think it made the president look good. Which underscored the sense that he has no heavyweight advisers around him—the generals are gone, the competent fled, he’s careening around surrounded by second raters, opportunists, naifs and demoralized midlevel people who can’t believe what they’re seeing

 

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More important will be a text or subtext of serious and consistent foreign-policy malfeasance that the public comes to believe is an actual threat to national security. Something they experience as alarming.

It cannot be merely that the president holds different views and proceeds in different ways than the elites of both parties. It can’t look like “the blob” fighting back—fancy-pants establishment types, whose feathers have been ruffled by a muddy-booted Jacksonian, getting their revenge. It can’t look like the Deep State striking back at a president who threatened their corrupt ways.

It will have to be serious and sincere professionals who testify believably that the administration is corrupt and its corruption has harmed the country. The witnesses will have to seem motivated by a sense of duty to institutions and protectiveness toward their country.

And the hearings had better start to come across as an honest, good-faith effort in which Republican members of Congress are treated squarely and in line with previous protocols and traditions.

With all that the needle moves. Without it, it does not.

 

 

[QMany]

I'll put this here because all of these crooks are intertwined:

 

[schriznoeder]

49 minutes ago, QMany said:

I'll put this here because all of these crooks are intertwined:

 

 

Ron DeSantis is shady AF.

[VectorVictor]

On 10/17/2019 at 1:57 PM, NM11046 said:

URANIUM ONE.  
 

 

Is spouting out completely disproven, crackpot Breitbart conspiracies in the “defense” of an actual corrupt act by this administration really necessary? 
 

Can we just once have a Trump supporter actually try and debate the issue at hand instead of making a false equivalence between a crackpot conspiracy theory and what’s happening in reality? 

[VectorVictor]

On 10/17/2019 at 2:51 PM, funhusker said:

Not to equate the Uranium One story and the Ukraine story, but it is pretty ironic to compare the two through the eyes of a conspiracy theorist Trump supporter.

 

Uranium One was supposedly a big deal because Clinton was using her political position to benefit personally through the sale of Uranium One.  This was a huge problem and she should be charged with treason because of her nerve to do something so horrible.  Then just today, the President's Chief of Staff tells us to "get used to it!".  "Personal politics are just part of foreign policy!"....

 

 

Except that it was investigated for four years, zero wrongdoing was found, and the supposed ill-gotten donations came years after the supposed deal and the chairman stepped down from his position with the company.

 

FFS, don’t lend any sort of legitimacy to this crackpot bulls***. It’s why we’re in the mess we’re in now. 

[Moiraine]

13 minutes ago, VectorVictor said:

Is spouting out completely disproven, crackpot Breitbart conspiracies in the “defense” of an actual corrupt act by this administration really necessary? 
 

Can we just once have a Trump supporter actually try and debate the issue at hand instead of making a false equivalence between a crackpot conspiracy theory and what’s happening in reality? 

 

It was a joke. NM started the Resistance Action Items topic. She's pretty far from a Trump supporter.

 

 

9 minutes ago, VectorVictor said:

Except that it was investigated for four years, zero wrongdoing was found, and the supposed ill-gotten donations came years after the supposed deal and the chairman stepped down from his position with the company.

 

FFS, don’t lend any sort of legitimacy to this crackpot bulls***. It’s why we’re in the mess we’re in now. 

 

He didn't lend legitimacy to it.

[teachercd]

Come on now...A lot of you need to learn to laugh.

[NM11046]

11 hours ago, VectorVictor said:

Is spouting out completely disproven, crackpot Breitbart conspiracies in the “defense” of an actual corrupt act by this administration really necessary? 
 

Can we just once have a Trump supporter actually try and debate the issue at hand instead of making a false equivalence between a crackpot conspiracy theory and what’s happening in reality? 

Ummm - you missed the sarcasm.  There aren't many here that dislike this admin and the GOP more than me.

[funhusker]

21 minutes ago, NM11046 said:

Ummm - you missed the sarcasm.  There aren't many here that dislike this admin and the GOP more than me.

He also missed the very first sentence of my post: "Not to equate the two..."

 

And then the entire point of the irony that some people were completely pissed about something fake, but now that it is happening for real no one seems to care...

[NM11046]

It's tough - I have days where everything, just everything sets me off swinging because there's just so much bs.  It's hard to tell the stupid from the sarcastic in today's world.