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21 hours ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

Yeah, because Trump abuses his power to target his political opponents like the rest of us breathe.

 

Schiff is a professional doing his due diligence to investigate a bunch of clumsy, corrupt goons.

 

Comparing the two reeks of desperation.

 

Schiff is a deep state politician trying to smear the other party.  An obvious resistance ally at ATT handed over phone records in an attempt to harm Republicans.  For comparison, ATT goes to court if the NSA wants the records of suspected terrorists.

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4 minutes ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

Schiff is a deep state politician trying to smear the other party.  An obvious resistance ally at ATT handed over phone records in an attempt to harm Republicans.  For comparison, ATT goes to court if the NSA wants the records of suspected terrorists.

QAnon really has got you on this deep state stuff doesn’t it?

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13 minutes ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

Schiff is a deep state politician trying to smear the other party.  An obvious resistance ally at ATT handed over phone records in an attempt to harm Republicans.  For comparison, ATT goes to court if the NSA wants the records of suspected terrorists.

 

Try again, man. Open up your eyes to the gross corruption of the GOP and stop deluding yourself. Parnas was indicted and Rudy is being investigated by the feds for a reason. They're crooks and not particularly competent ones. Watching Rudy devolve from America's mayor to whatever this is is just sad at this point.

 

Nunes and Solomon were only swept up in this because they contacted said crooks.

 

Congress can legally obtain phone call records (not the content of the calls themselves) simply by issuing a subpoena. The Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled we don't have reasonable expectation of privacy over our call logs. Pulled from the Federalist:

 

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This week in the impeachment proceedings in the House of Representatives, Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, released his report on the inquiry to date. The report included records of telephone calls of President Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, and another man, Lev Parnas, who was reportedly assisting Giuliani in his investigation of alleged activities in Ukraine or by Ukrainians to interfere in the 2016 election. These records included calls allegedly with Devin Nunes, R-Calif., the ranking minority member on the Intelligence Committee, and John Solomon, a prominent journalist.

 

Americans began querying how Schiff could have obtained the phone call records for the report. Some speculated that a secret warrant had been sought for them, that someone at the carrier (AT&T) had leaked them, that the National Security Agency had been tasked with obtaining them, or that a federal agency had issued a “natsec” letter to acquire them for the intelligence committee.

 

In reality, the government can obtain these records without taking any such extraordinary measures — and no judge even need be involved for Congress to get them. It can simply send a subpoena to the carrier.

This seemingly astonishing explanation exists because under current law, these records are not protected by any warrant requirement. First, based on Supreme Court precedent, obtaining these records is not a “search” under the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, which prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures by the government.

 
In Smith v. Maryland, 442 U.S. 735 (1979), the court said Americans did not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the information showing who they spoke to on the telephone because the phone company possessed that information. With no reasonable expectation of privacy in that information, the court concluded police didn’t need a warrant to obtain it.
 
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All of this leads to the reality that under current law, Congress can obtain phone call log information — who called or was called, at what time, and for how long — simply by sending its own subpoena to the phone company handling the account. This does not include the content of the call itself (what was said), however, which requires a wire-tapping warrant, at least by the executive branch.

 

You're free to not like it. But it's the legal rules of the road on this matter. None of these people would have had to worry about their call logs if they had not been crooks, or associating with crooks.

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1 hour ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

Schiff is a deep state politician trying to smear the other party.  An obvious resistance ally at ATT handed over phone records in an attempt to harm Republicans.  For comparison, ATT goes to court if the NSA wants the records of suspected terrorists.

Is the illuminati involved as well? What about the reptilians?

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12 hours ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

Schiff is a deep state politician trying to smear the other party.  An obvious resistance ally at ATT handed over phone records in an attempt to harm Republicans.  For comparison, ATT goes to court if the NSA wants the records of suspected terrorists.

 

The phone records situation is conflicting. It seems that Schiff publishing phone record data from an opposition party ranking member is a breach of protocol and against ethical standards, which if true should be condemned. 

 

HOWEVER we should also demand transparency from our government officials, elected and unelected alike. Similar to Wikileaks, I care more about the contents than how the information is exposed. Schiff is no doubt a snake, but at the same time, if there's concerning info in what he released, people should pay attention to that as well. 

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1 hour ago, ActualCornHusker said:

 

The phone records situation is conflicting. It seems that Schiff publishing phone record data from an opposition party ranking member is a breach of protocol and against ethical standards, which if true should be condemned. 

 

HOWEVER we should also demand transparency from our government officials, elected and unelected alike. Similar to Wikileaks, I care more about the contents than how the information is exposed. Schiff is no doubt a snake, but at the same time, if there's concerning info in what he released, people should pay attention to that as well. 

 

Nunes got swept up because he was communicating with Parnas, who has been indicted. And you're more concerned with Schiff? :facepalm:

 

Schiff is a guy doing his job. Starting to think you and NDJ don't like that because it makes Republicans look bad. Full stop.

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3 hours ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

Nunes got swept up because he was communicating with Parnas, who has been indicted. And you're more concerned with Schiff? :facepalm:

 

Schiff is a guy doing his job. Starting to think you and NDJ don't like that because it makes Republicans look bad. Full stop.

 

You obviously did not read what I said. 

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