DOJ Initial Russia Hearings

[knapplc]

Saw an interview with one of the jurors, a Trump voter, who said that the evidence against Manafort was overwhelming. She said they laid it all out for the holdout juror, and went over it again and again and again, but she kept saying she had "reasonable doubt."

 

That woman is either dumber than a box of hammers or a partisan stooge. If 11 other people from all walks of life, including people disinclined to feel that Trump's people are guilty, say that they're "overwhelmingly" guilty, that final holdout clearly has an agenda.

 

[QMany]

It happens, jurors are very unpredictable. If they were truly that partisan, they wouldn't have found guilty on the other 8. But that is great information for the prosecuting attorneys, whether by retrial or plea negotiations.

 

Absent a pardon, Manafort should die in prison. 

[commando]

40 minutes ago, knapplc said:

Saw an interview with one of the jurors, a Trump voter, who said that the evidence against Manafort was overwhelming. She said they laid it all out for the holdout juror, and went over it again and again and again, but she kept saying she had "reasonable doubt."

 

That woman is either dumber than a box of hammers or a partisan stooge. If 11 other people from all walks of life, including people disinclined to feel that Trump's people are guilty, say that they're "overwhelmingly" guilty, that final holdout clearly has an agenda.

 

if i recall correctly....manafort didn't even present a defense.    clearly either an agenda or perhaps someone got paid.  trump has been known to payoff people before.

[Danny Bateman]

2 hours ago, QMany said:

It happens, jurors are very unpredictable. If they were truly that partisan, they wouldn't have found guilty on the other 8. But that is great information for the prosecuting attorneys, whether by retrial or plea negotiations.

 

Absent a pardon, Manafort should die in prison. 

 

This guy's a former federal prosecutor and indicates it doesn't matter anyway. Your last sentence is dead on.

 

 

[Whistlebritches]

3 hours ago, knapplc said:

Saw an interview with one of the jurors, a Trump voter, who said that the evidence against Manafort was overwhelming. She said they laid it all out for the holdout juror, and went over it again and again and again, but she kept saying she had "reasonable doubt."

 

That woman is either dumber than a box of hammers or a partisan stooge. If 11 other people from all walks of life, including people disinclined to feel that Trump's people are guilty, say that they're "overwhelmingly" guilty, that final holdout clearly has an agenda.

 

Here's the story.

 

 

[ZRod]

Just for her safety and sanity, I hope that hold out's name is never release. Otherwise her life will be ruined. Although an anonymous interview would be nice to hear why they were so dense.

[commando]

1 minute ago, ZRod said:

Just for her safety and sanity, I hope that hold outs name is never release. Otherwise her life will be ruined. Although an anonymous interview would be nice to hear why they were so dense.

same thing for this lady... i wonder if some crazed maga fan will blame her for something and take justice into his own hands.

[knapplc]

1 hour ago, Clifford Franklin said:

 

This guy's a former federal prosecutor and indicates it doesn't matter anyway. Your last sentence is dead on.

 

 

 

Renato is a good follow on the Twitter. Lots and lots of good info on the legal aspects of the goings-on these days.

[schriznoeder]

A guilty man speaking like a guilty man...

 

 

[TGHusker]

Sessions getting a bit testy wt Trump.  Maybe he's finally growing a pair.

 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/23/jeff-sessions-pushes-back-against-trump-actions-of-doj-will-not-be-improperly-influenced-by-political-considerations.html

 

 

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Attorney General Jeff Sessions pushes back against President Trump, saying in a statement that the Department of Justice will not be "improperly influenced by political considerations."

 

[Danny Bateman]

Well this is just f#cking stupid. We need to treat this election like the most important one of our lifetimes. 

 

It certainly feels like it is for me. It's become a referendum on whether justice matters or the President and his elected supporters can just do whatever the hell they want.

 

 

[Moiraine]

13 minutes ago, Clifford Franklin said:

Well this is just f#cking stupid. We need to treat this election like the most important one of our lifetimes. 

 

It certainly feels like it is for me. It's become a referendum on whether justice matters or the President and his elected supporters can just do whatever the hell they want.

 

 

 

 

 

The election in 2016 was more important. It could have prevented (or maybe just delayed) this.

 

The state elections in 2010 have also had a huge impact on the House for decades to come unless they are won by people willing to redraw maps fairly. Republicans are in the minority but they have the advantage in the system. 

[Ric Flair]

7 hours ago, ZRod said:

Just for her safety and sanity, I hope that hold out's name is never release. Otherwise her life will be ruined. Although an anonymous interview would be nice to hear why they were so dense.

 

It sounds like the holdout agreed with the judge and much of America that the prosecution was only brought to try to get leverage to flip Manafort against Trump. 

[Moiraine]

18 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

 

It sounds like the holdout agreed with the judge and much of America that the prosecution was only brought to try to get leverage to flip Manafort against Trump. 

 

 

I’m pretty sure you made that up, but if it were true and that’s why they were a hold out, they failed in their duty as a juror.

[commando]

things that make you go hmmm...