RedDenver Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 4 hours ago, TGHusker said: San Fran Nan questions the fitness of Trump have his implosion earlier this week - walking out of the infrastructure meeting: https://www.yahoo.com/news/sanders-insane-talk-infrastructure-pelosi-remark-135120541--politics.html Yeah, if only someone other than Trump's staff and family had the authority, responsibility, and duty to intervene. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 And, of course I have a meeting starting in 20 minutes. It's totally rude of Mueller to not wait for me. 1 Link to comment
knapplc Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Mueller states that he is speaking today because the investigation is complete. Formally closing the special counsel's office. Retiring to public life. Important for the written word to speak for itself. Interference in the 2016 special election - Russian intelligence officers launched a concerted attack on our political system, hacked the Clinton campaign, and released that information. Designed & timed to interfere with our election. Boldly stating that Russia interfered with our political process. Also investigated whether there was obstruction. Obstruction - if they had confidence that the president did NOT commit a crime, they would have said so, and explicitly did NOT. Charging Trump with a crime was not an option they could consider. 1 Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Alot of interesting statements made by Mueller today. The only statements we will recieve from him apparently. Link to comment
knapplc Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Remember that time Trump claimed Mueller "exonerated" him? Yeah. Sit down, because this will be a shock: TRUMP LIED. Mueller baldly states that he was not in a position to accuse or exonerate the focus of his investigation. 1 Link to comment
knapplc Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 What is the Trump Administration going to do to combat future efforts to undermine our democracy? And if they do nothing... why would that be? 3 Link to comment
TGHusker Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 50 minutes ago, knapplc said: Mueller states that he is speaking today because the investigation is complete. Formally closing the special counsel's office. Retiring to public life. Important for the written word to speak for itself. Interference in the 2016 special election - Russian intelligence officers launched a concerted attack on our political system, hacked the Clinton campaign, and released that information. Designed & timed to interfere with our election. Boldly stating that Russia interfered with our political process. Also investigated whether there was obstruction. Obstruction - if they had confidence that the president did NOT commit a crime, they would have said so, and explicitly did NOT. Charging Trump with a crime was not an option they could consider. The bold - this is the huge wink/green light to the Dems (even if they didn't need one - perhaps a good confirmation) - start looking and digging - there is something there. My hands were tied but your hands are not. 2 Link to comment
Moiraine Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Unfortunately this isn’t the day and age where you can just allow “the written word to speak for itself.” People don’t like reading. We need Mueller to speak up more. 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Finally got to a point where I could sit and listen to the entire statement. Once again, Robert Mueller proved he's the adult in the room. 1 Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 You know what's funny about this? Congressional Republicans, over the course of several years, used their committees and associated powers to turn Benghazi into emails into nonstop media coverage of Hillary Clinton, with the explicit purpose of damaging her chances of becoming president in 2016. And it worked. And now Dems are generally losing their mind because their elected officials are going to do the same thing to Trump. Investigation of his transgressions is undoubtedly more justified. We can talk about motivations and what's ethically correct all you want. But from a utilitarian, pragmatic standpoint, if your goal is preventing a second term of a Trump presidency, what they're doing now seems pretty likely to work, IMO. Bloody him as much as possible before the election, expose his criminality to the world and then let the voters decide. 2 Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 52 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said: You know what's funny about this? Congressional Republicans, over the course of several years, used their committees and associated powers to turn Benghazi into emails into nonstop media coverage of Hillary Clinton, with the explicit purpose of damaging her chances of becoming president in 2016. And it worked. And now Dems are generally losing their mind because their elected officials are going to do the same thing to Trump. Investigation of his transgressions is undoubtedly more justified. We can talk about motivations and what's ethically correct all you want. But from a utilitarian, pragmatic standpoint, if your goal is preventing a second term of a Trump presidency, what they're doing now seems pretty likely to work, IMO. Bloody him as much as possible before the election, expose his criminality to the world and then let the voters decide. To me, while it may be 'pragmatic', this is a cowardly and dangerous way to approach this. Hillary Clinton almost won the election. Giving Trump an opening for another term is dangerous because he may win despite all of the evidence and bloodying. What kind of precedent does this set for future presidents? Do whatever you want to get elected and while in office and the worst you'll get is some tough talk on the campaign trail next time out? Look out for worse and worse offenses as time goes on... 1 Link to comment
Fru Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Danny Bateman said: You know what's funny about this? Congressional Republicans, over the course of several years, used their committees and associated powers to turn Benghazi into emails into nonstop media coverage of Hillary Clinton, with the explicit purpose of damaging her chances of becoming president in 2016. And it worked. And now Dems are generally losing their mind because their elected officials are going to do the same thing to Trump. Investigation of his transgressions is undoubtedly more justified. We can talk about motivations and what's ethically correct all you want. But from a utilitarian, pragmatic standpoint, if your goal is preventing a second term of a Trump presidency, what they're doing now seems pretty likely to work, IMO. Bloody him as much as possible before the election, expose his criminality to the world and then let the voters decide. The DNC not nominating one of the most despised political candidates in American history should also help. Link to comment
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