NM11046 Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 12 minutes ago, dudeguyy said: Trump is such a tactless dolt. I'm not privy to what Mueller & his team are working with, but at this point, it's blatantly obvious he only wanted to surround himself with loyalists who would protect him. Can you believe this crap? Seriously for some reason this one put me over the edge. Link to comment
Moiraine Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 2 hours ago, schriznoeder said: Trannzparunsee iz compplikated. Good reply to that tweet: 1 Link to comment
TGHusker Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 The difference between the Nixon and the Trump investigations is clearly seen in Congress. Trump supporters and the republicans as a whole are marching lock step (outside of a few notables) in protecting Trump. Thus we now have the counter investigation into the deep state, secret society whatever you want to call it in which congressional repubs want to defuse the Mueller investigation by going after Mueller himself. Perhaps the Repubs of the Nixon era, who participated in the Nixon investigation, had less to lose - they didn't control congress. The current repubs, however, are placing power over ethics. If something wrong has been done in the FBI - it should be investigated but not in the context of during back the current investigation of Trump. It seems that this FBI investigation, the investigation of Clinton Foundation and Uranium 1 are all timed to 'back down' the Mueller investigation. We have a real power struggle going on in DC and I don't think it ends well. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/23/congress-fbi-russia-republicans-escalate-probes-364616 Quote Amid new signs that special counsel Robert Mueller is pursuing an obstruction of justice case against President Donald Trump, Republicans in Congress have intensified their own investigations of the Justice Department's and FBI's handling of inquiries into Trump’s ties to Russia. Tuesday brought several dramatic developments in the Russia saga, including the news that Mueller recently interviewed Attorney General Jeff Sessions, the first Cabinet official known to be questioned in the investigation. The New York Times also reported that former FBI Director James Comey was interviewed by Mueller last year. But even as Mueller showed apparent momentum, Republicans made new charges of political bias and even potential criminal misconduct in the nation’s top law enforcement agencies.On Fox News, Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.), chairman of the House committee that oversees the Justice Department and FBI, alleged an anti-Trump “conspiracy” by FBI agents whose text message exchanges have been made public in selective bursts by GOP lawmakers. “Some of these texts are very disturbing,” Goodlatte said, adding, “They illustrate a conspiracy on the part of some people, and we want to know a lot more about that.” Quote Meanwhile, congressional Republicans pushing to release a secret memo they have drafted based on classified intelligence — which they claim reveals anti-Trump bias in the FBI — got a boost on Tuesday from the White House, which called for “full transparency” on the issue. Separately, a GOP lawmaker on the House Judiciary Committee indicated that there were plans to recall Comey to testify about his handling of the 2016 investigation into Hillary Clinton. Congressional Democrats say it’s no accident that the GOP probes have escalated as Mueller has homed in on Trump’s top allies. Reps. Adam Schiff of California, Jerry Nadler of New York and Elijah Cummings of Maryland, the top Democrats on three GOP-led committees unearthing internal FBI documents, say the Republican efforts smack of a partisan campaign to protect the president and sully the investigators who have questioned his behavior. “Republicans are now attacking the FBI in order to undermine Special Counsel Mueller and protect President Trump, but their claims are directly at odds with the facts,” the three Democrats said in a joint statement on Tuesday afternoon. Link to comment
NM11046 Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 HOnestly the only one I've been consistently impressed with because of his outward focus on doing things the right way is Burr. Link to comment
RedDenver Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 47 minutes ago, TGHusker said: The difference between the Nixon and the Trump investigations is clearly seen in Congress. Trump supporters and the republicans as a whole are marching lock step (outside of a few notables) in protecting Trump. Thus we now have the counter investigation into the deep state, secret society whatever you want to call it in which congressional repubs want to defuse the Mueller investigation by going after Mueller himself. Perhaps the Repubs of the Nixon era, who participated in the Nixon investigation, had less to lose - they didn't control congress. The current repubs, however, are placing power over ethics. If something wrong has been done in the FBI - it should be investigated but not in the context of during back the current investigation of Trump. It seems that this FBI investigation, the investigation of Clinton Foundation and Uranium 1 are all timed to 'back down' the Mueller investigation. We have a real power struggle going on in DC and I don't think it ends well. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/23/congress-fbi-russia-republicans-escalate-probes-364616 Based on what I've read about Watergate, the Republicans in Congress did back Nixon for quite a while. But when the evidence became overwhelming, they turned against him. Remember that Nixon resigned after Republicans in the House voted for impeachment articles. The Watergate timeline is spelled out in this article. It took over 2 years from the Watergate break-in until impeachment articles passed and Nixon resigned. Summary: June 17, 1972: Five men, one of whom says he used to work for the CIA, are arrested at 2.30 am trying to bug the offices of the Democratic National Committee at the Watergate hotel and office complex. November 11, 1972: Nixon is re-elected in one of the largest landslides in American political history, taking more than 60 percent of the vote and crushing the Democratic nominee, Sen. George McGovern of South Dakota. January 30, 1973: Former Nixon aides G. Gordon Liddy and James W. McCord Jr. are convicted of conspiracy, burglary and wiretapping in the Watergate incident. Five other men plead guilty, but mysteries remain. October 20, 1973: Saturday Night Massacre: Nixon fires Archibald Cox and abolishes the office of the special prosecutor. Attorney General Richardson and Deputy Attorney General William D. Ruckelshaus resign. Pressure for impeachment mounts in Congress. July 27, 1974: House Judiciary Committee passes the first of three articles of impeachment, charging obstruction August 8, 1974: Richard Nixon becomes the first US president to resign. Vice President Gerald Ford assumes the office. He will later pardon Nixon of all charges related to the Watergate case. Link to comment
TGHusker Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 minute ago, RedDenver said: Based on what I've read about Watergate, the Republicans in Congress did back Nixon for quite a while. But when the evidence became overwhelming, they turned against him. Remember that Nixon resigned after Republicans in the House voted for impeachment articles. The Watergate timeline is spelled out in this article. It took over 2 years from the Watergate break-in until impeachment articles passed and Nixon resigned. Summary: June 17, 1972: Five men, one of whom says he used to work for the CIA, are arrested at 2.30 am trying to bug the offices of the Democratic National Committee at the Watergate hotel and office complex. November 11, 1972: Nixon is re-elected in one of the largest landslides in American political history, taking more than 60 percent of the vote and crushing the Democratic nominee, Sen. George McGovern of South Dakota. January 30, 1973: Former Nixon aides G. Gordon Liddy and James W. McCord Jr. are convicted of conspiracy, burglary and wiretapping in the Watergate incident. Five other men plead guilty, but mysteries remain. October 20, 1973: Saturday Night Massacre: Nixon fires Archibald Cox and abolishes the office of the special prosecutor. Attorney General Richardson and Deputy Attorney General William D. Ruckelshaus resign. Pressure for impeachment mounts in Congress. July 27, 1974: House Judiciary Committee passes the first of three articles of impeachment, charging obstruction August 8, 1974: Richard Nixon becomes the first US president to resign. Vice President Gerald Ford assumes the office. He will later pardon Nixon of all charges related to the Watergate case. Yes I agree - but there was a clear cut when the evidence was presented. And maybe I'm too hard on the current repubs - maybe they will make the same cut but I'm concern that they may not because they have more power esp if the evidence comes in after 2018 elections and they are still in power. Now if Mueller comes out wt evidence prior to the election and the opinion polls are tracking hard against Trump, then the repubs may make a clean cut for political expediency reasons. But their current lack of calling this president into accountability on so many issues doesn't give me a lot of hope. They want to ride this camel as far and as long as possible even if they have one of their own sitting in the VP spot. Link to comment
NM11046 Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 26 minutes ago, RedDenver said: Based on what I've read about Watergate, the Republicans in Congress did back Nixon for quite a while. But when the evidence became overwhelming, they turned against him. Remember that Nixon resigned after Republicans in the House voted for impeachment articles. The Watergate timeline is spelled out in this article. It took over 2 years from the Watergate break-in until impeachment articles passed and Nixon resigned. Summary: June 17, 1972: Five men, one of whom says he used to work for the CIA, are arrested at 2.30 am trying to bug the offices of the Democratic National Committee at the Watergate hotel and office complex. November 11, 1972: Nixon is re-elected in one of the largest landslides in American political history, taking more than 60 percent of the vote and crushing the Democratic nominee, Sen. George McGovern of South Dakota. January 30, 1973: Former Nixon aides G. Gordon Liddy and James W. McCord Jr. are convicted of conspiracy, burglary and wiretapping in the Watergate incident. Five other men plead guilty, but mysteries remain. October 20, 1973: Saturday Night Massacre: Nixon fires Archibald Cox and abolishes the office of the special prosecutor. Attorney General Richardson and Deputy Attorney General William D. Ruckelshaus resign. Pressure for impeachment mounts in Congress. July 27, 1974: House Judiciary Committee passes the first of three articles of impeachment, charging obstruction August 8, 1974: Richard Nixon becomes the first US president to resign. Vice President Gerald Ford assumes the office. He will later pardon Nixon of all charges related to the Watergate case. Give a listen to "Slow Burn" which is a podcast on Watergate. SUPER interesting and does a good job looking at players other than Dean and the big names, and outlines the timelines really well. Link to comment
schriznoeder Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 More dominoes... 2 Link to comment
schriznoeder Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 More good stuff from Mr. Abramson. 3 Link to comment
TGHusker Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Sessions is in deep horse sh$t . I believe the noose is tightening - Congressional repubs know it too and are having counter hearings on the FBI. 1 Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 The DOJ is preemptively striking Nunes & warning him not to release his memo before they have a chance to see it. This letter is from a Trump appointee, lest there be any concerns about undue bias. This is extraordinary. I thought the GOP was the party of law & order? Instead we've got a rogue group of House Republicans (& some in the Senate) looking to undermine & attack our own intelligence agencies to try to make whatever conclusion they reach about Trump not stick... or look like a hatchet job. We've come a long way since "finding" WMDs in Iraq. Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Here's the one from the Senate I mentioned, Senator Ron Johnson from Wisconsin (it's fun to say! It's too bad he's a Koch stooge): I guess he's willing to carry water for Trump, too, then. 1 Link to comment
NM11046 Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 You really have to wonder how much of this is them trying to protect the party, and how many are actually caught up in something nefarious themselves that will be uncovered if this investigations continue. I can't imagine you'd act like they are without something to hide. 3 Link to comment
Moiraine Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) I don't know if they have something to hide but they're clearly trying to think of reasons/excuses not to impeach Trump. Edited January 25, 2018 by Moiraine 2 Link to comment
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