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this could get interesting really fast :snacks:

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cohen-to-testify-that-trump-engaged-in-criminal-conduct-while-in-office-11551175201

 

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Michael Cohen, Donald Trump’s former lawyer, will for the first time publicly accuse the president of criminal conduct while in office related to a hush-money payment to a porn star, a person familiar with his planned testimony before Congress said.

Appearing on Wednesday before the House Oversight Committee, Mr. Cohen also will make public some of Mr. Trump’s private financial statements and allege that Mr. Trump at times inflated or deflated his net worth for business and personal purposes, including avoiding paying property taxes, the person said. The financial statements were developed by Mr. Trump’s accountant, the person said. The Wall Street Journal hasn’t seen those statements.

 

Mr. Cohen’s testimony is expected to focus on his “behind-the-scenes” accounts of working for Mr. Trump for over a decade, a period during which Mr. Cohen will say he witnessed “lies, racism and cheating” by Mr. Trump, the person said.

 

 

 

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The person familiar with Mr. Cohen’s anticipated testimony said Mr. Cohen would provide “evidence of criminal conduct since Mr. Trump became president,” but other than saying it involved the Clifford payment, wouldn’t offer more specifics before Wednesday’s House hearing.

The hearing would be the first time Mr. Cohen alleges that Mr. Trump committed a crime while in office. While the payments to both women were made in the weeks before the 2016 presidential election, Mr. Trump has faced questions from reporters about his possible knowledge of Mr. Cohen’s subsequent reimbursement for the Clifford payment, as well as about whether he had any conversations with Mr. Cohen about efforts to conceal the payment after the Journal first reported its existence in January 2018.

Mr. Trump previously has described the Clifford payment as a “simple private transaction” and said if the payments were illegal, it was Mr. Cohen’s “mistake.” The president has denied the sexual encounters with the women as well as ordering Mr. Cohen to arrange the payments to them.

 

 

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1 hour ago, knapplc said:

 

 

Trump would lose, at most, three points off his polling norm.

 

If people still back Trump today, nothing's going to change that.  They'll rationalize anything.

Well, we already know that they will stand behind him if he shots someone in Times Square.    But what you say is the sad truth.  You know back in the 70's Nixon's loyal friends eventually realized that he had lied and was indeed 'a crook'.  I don't think Trump's crowd can bring themselves to this type of realization.  Think of what they have to loose.  Hannity, Rush, etc have built their current fame and fortune around supporting this guy.  To admit they are wrong in the high stakes media game is to admit you are a failure and that you need to take down the shingle. Their followers have built their 'political identity' around the views of these talking heads and their beloved leader that it would be like coming out of a cult - to be deprogrammed - to admit that they were wrong about Trump is like suicide.  And worse off Congressional Republicans have sold their soul to eat out of the Trump gravy bowl.  The sham/ fake Russian investigation, the few that will speak against him for his outlandish comments and actions - shows they would have no political will or desire to oppose Trump and support a real investigation. Trump has remade the GOP into a party that I think needs to be brought to its lowest point in order to survive - a huge whipping at the polls. Regardless, this version of the party needs to be replaced either by regeneration or replaced by a new, balanced conservative party - but that would be years in the making.   Meanwhile, the Dems have been so Clinton reliant for so long,  they need to get their act together to find a candidate that isn't so progressive that we end up wt Trump 2.0.  :rant

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1 hour ago, knapplc said:

 

 

Trump would lose, at most, three points off his polling norm.

 

If people still back Trump today, nothing's going to change that.  They'll rationalize anything.

 

 

I feel like I remember you expressing hope that the Mueller probe would result in something dramatic, and me being the one telling you that it wouldn't matter :P Have you grown more cynical in the last six months?

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1 minute ago, Landlord said:

 

 

I feel like I remember you expressing hope that the Mueller probe would result in something dramatic, and me being the one telling you that it wouldn't matter :P Have you grown more cynical in the last six months?

If the Mueller report comes back as a whimper, then I think we all will grow more cynical..... immediately.

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3 minutes ago, Landlord said:

 

 

I feel like I remember you expressing hope that the Mueller probe would result in something dramatic, and me being the one telling you that it wouldn't matter :P Have you grown more cynical in the last six months?

 

I don't recall that exchange. Perhaps you could refresh my memory?

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4 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

I don't recall that exchange. Perhaps you could refresh my memory?

 

 

You're the search master I would have no idea how to pull it up. But generally my memory of it seemed to be that you were expressing an excitement of what might happen in the probe, and I said something about, "eh, it doesn't matter. nobody is going to care", and then you disagreed, and then i disagreed, etc.

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1 minute ago, Landlord said:

 

 

You're the search master I would have no idea how to pull it up. But generally my memory of it seemed to be that you were expressing an excitement of what might happen in the probe, and I said something about, "eh, it doesn't matter. nobody is going to care", and then you disagreed, and then i disagreed, etc.

 

And that was a memorable exchange for you?

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Just now, Landlord said:

 

 

In the sense that i remember it happening, generally speaking, sure.

 

Just seems interesting that per my recollection you've maybe shifted into a more nihilistic perspective in regards to Trump.

 

I think I've been pretty consistent in my disdain for Trump and anyone who supports him.

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30 minutes ago, Landlord said:

 

 

I feel like I remember you expressing hope that the Mueller probe would result in something dramatic, and me being the one telling you that it wouldn't matter :P Have you grown more cynical in the last six months?

 

This is the first time you & I have had any exchange in this thread. You haven't quoted any post I've made, and I haven't quoted yours until this page.

 

I didn't read through all of your posts in this thread, but at a quick glance there's no such exchange like this:

 

22 minutes ago, Landlord said:

 

 

You're the search master I would have no idea how to pull it up. But generally my memory of it seemed to be that you were expressing an excitement of what might happen in the probe, and I said something about, "eh, it doesn't matter. nobody is going to care", and then you disagreed, and then i disagreed, etc.

 

 

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