The 2020 Presidential Election - Convention & General Election

[commando]

24 minutes ago, teachercd said:

I never thought about this, but say it is Sanders Vs Trump...These are both two old dudes with lots of stress and both seem to have had health issues.  

 

Does anyone know what happens if one or both died while they are campaigning to be president?  Is there a protocol in place?  There must be, right?

i don't know if there is a protocol for that...but i assume the VP would move to the top of the ticket

[Nebfanatic]

1 hour ago, Frott Scost said:

I think Texas will be tough. I think he could flip AZ because of his latino support. I also think he can flip WI, PA and MI. Maybe Ohio? I think Florida goes red but if you can flip those other 4 states and possibly OH he wins. 

That's interesting because I have been getting the sense Florida may flip

[BigRedBuster]

12 hours ago, BlitzFirst said:

 

Because that's not how employee stock options work...it's known.  Just go look at a company like Publix Supermarket, which is an ESOP.  This is the model we currently have in place.  They don't GIVE AWAY stocks.  Employees INVEST in the company and the company invests in employees by paying dividends on the stocks.  It increases value on both sides of the coin.

 

Bernie wants to setup what they have in Germany already: 

https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/business/co-determination-in-german-companies-rules-and-laws

 

Everyone knows how socialist Germany is right?

 

I'm going off of what was posted as his idea in this thread.  I don't remember anywhere in there that mentions "stock options".  I know what stock options are.  I don't need to go read about XYZ company.  Can you provide where Bernie mentions stock options?

 

Also, here is what @FrantzHardySwag posted.

 

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I’m a Bernie supporter and Im not on board with this idea. It sounds like too complicated to implement.  To answer your question on someone buying out each employee to own a chunk of the company - employee stocks would be controlled by a board voted on by employees. The employees wouldn’t own the stock, they would just have representation on votes, and if a dividend was paid out it would be distributed to them. So if you quit or retire you see no benefit, that 20% still belongs to the current employees as a collective so they have a seat at the table so to speak. Again not something I can see or necessarily want to happen, just trying to visualize it as well. And thanks for actually talking about the policies. These are the convos we should be having. 

 

This is very very different than "stock options".

 

I think Bernie really sucks at explaining what he really wants to do.  That usually happens when someone doesn't have a clue what they are talking about.

 

Reading your link above, basically it sounds like Bernie wants to force any company of a certain size to unionize.

Nope...not a fan.

[Moiraine]

1 hour ago, Frott Scost said:

I think Texas will be tough. I think he could flip AZ because of his latino support. I also think he can flip WI, PA and MI. Maybe Ohio? I think Florida goes red but if you can flip those other 4 states and possibly OH he wins. 

 

 

I don’t think he’ll flip Texas but he probably has the best chance. And I think Texas will be blue within the next 20 years. Assuming we still have real votes. 

[Moiraine]

1 hour ago, teachercd said:

I never thought about this, but say it is Sanders Vs Trump...These are both two old dudes with lots of stress and both seem to have had health issues.  

 

Does anyone know what happens if one or both died while they are campaigning to be president?  Is there a protocol in place?  There must be, right?

 

 

It’s up to the parties that nominated them and I agree with commando, they’d probably say the VP is the new candidate. 

[sho]

4 hours ago, Nebfanatic said:

That's interesting because I have been getting the sense Florida may flip

 

I think it flips.  The change to felon voting status, I think gives Florida enough new voters that it flips to blue and I think flips rather easily.

[TGHusker]

28 minutes ago, sho said:

 

I think it flips.  The change to felon voting status, I think gives Florida enough new voters that it flips to blue and I think flips rather easily.

I agree - Trump didn't win by much last time. 

[TGHusker]

The Dems looking for a white knight to rescue them at a brokered convention.  They are in a panic mode as Bernie keeps winning.

 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/democrats-float-sherrod-brown-white-170457146.html

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Some Democrats are reportedly growing interested in grabbing someone not currently running for president to be the party's out-of-left-field 2020 nominee.

For an article published Thursday, The New York Times interviewed 93 Democratic superdelegates, finding that Democratic establishment leaders are "not just worried about Mr. Sanders' candidacy, but are also willing to risk intraparty damage to stop his nomination at the national convention in July if they get the chance."

Amid these fears, Democrats have reportedly "placed a steady stream of calls" to Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) suggesting he could "emerge as a white knight nominee at a brokered convention." Brown passed on a 2020 run, deciding "the best place" for him would be in the Senate.

Democrats are "urging" former President Barack Obama to get involved and "broker a truce," the Times also writes, but beyond that, Democratic National Committee member William Owen suggested tapping former first lady Michelle Obama as vice president, saying "she's the only person I can think of who can unify the party and help us win" an election that's "about saving the world."

Other superdelegates are reportedly floating the idea of Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) getting back in the mix, while Rep. Don Beyer (D-Va.) rattled off a whole bunch of suggestions for a surprise nominee including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), somebody "that could win and we could all get behind and celebrate."

Regardless, of the 93 superdelegates the Times interviewed, only nine said Sanders should become the nominee based on arriving to the convention with a plurality but not a majority, with Rep. Veronica Escobar (D-Texas.) saying, "If 60 percent is not with Bernie Sanders, I think that says something, I really do."

 

 

[ActualCornHusker]

16 hours ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

 

sshh, that's my dream ticket.

 

 

As hilarious and entertaining as it would be to watch the Trump v Pocahontas debates, it would be an absolute sh#t show...

[Moiraine]

If the DNC doesn’t pick the person with the plurality of votes, they can go f#&% themselves. They would never live that down. That would destroy their chance of winning the election and screw them over for decades to come. They would be far less likely to win the election if Sanders has a plurality and they don’t choose him than if he is the nominee. 

 

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with Rep. Veronica Escobar (D-Texas.) saying, “If 60 percent is not with Bernie Sanders, I think that says something, I really do."

 

All it says, you f#&%ing idiot, is there were a s#!tton of candidates not willing to take one for the team and drop out when it was clear they couldn’t win. 

[Ratt Mhule]

18 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

If the DNC doesn’t pick the person with the plurality of votes, they can go f#&% themselves. They would never live that down. That would destroy their chance of winning the election and screw them over for decades to come. They would be far more likely to win the election if Sanders has a plurality and they don’t choose him than if he is the nominee. 

 

 

All it says, you f#&%ing idiot, is there were a s#!tton of candidates not willing to take one for the team and drop out when it was clear they couldn’t win. 

Far less likely you mean?

 

I agree. It will destroy the party. 

[RedDenver]

Members of the Democratic Party (in this case a former state rep) now saying that democracy doesn't matter in the primary:

 

[Moiraine]

2 hours ago, Frott Scost said:

Far less likely you mean?

 

I agree. It will destroy the party. 

 

 

Yes, fixed.

[Notre Dame Joe]

7 hours ago, Moiraine said:

If the DNC doesn’t pick the person with the plurality of votes, they can go f#&% themselves. They would never live that down. That would destroy their chance of winning the election and screw them over for decades to come. They would be far less likely to win the election if Sanders has a plurality and they don’t choose him than if he is the nominee. 

 

 

All it says, you f#&%ing idiot, is there were a s#!tton of candidates not willing to take one for the team and drop out when it was clear they couldn’t win. 

 

4 hours ago, RedDenver said:

Members of the Democratic Party (in this case a former state rep) now saying that democracy doesn't matter in the primary again:  

 

 

Hillary received more primary votes than Obama. 

[Moiraine]

5 hours ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

Hillary received more primary votes than Obama. 

 

 

a) We are talking about a plurality of delegates, not votes

 

b) Obama won the popular vote with Michigan not included, and his name wasn’t on the ballot.