The 2020 Presidential Election - Convention & General Election

[BigRedBuster 23,938]

3 minutes ago, FrankWheeler said:

I am homeless and unemployed so not a corporate lawyer but generally shareholders are not personally liablefor the debts of the corporation.

Yes they are.....all the F*ing time. 
 

There are thousands of 100 million corps around the country that are privately owned. Those owners (stock holders) are routinely required to guarantee loans. 

And, yes...privately owned companies are included in this proposal. Private companies have stock that is owned by the shareholders. They are required to guarantee loans. 

[TGHusker 5,561]

It is one thing to elect Bernie and another to get his programs through congress.  Look at it this way, the Dems would have to take over the senate and retain the house  - which is doable. However, if Bernie appears to be the likely winner vs Trump (of course Hillary was likely also until she wasn't) a lot of voters in red and purple states will come to the aid of the GOP senators running for office in my opinion.

 

I'd prefer to see a more moderate Dem defeat trump and I think it is more likely the Dems could take the senate then and hopefully reverse some to the GOP nonsense.  But if  Bernie is the nominee, that will excite GOP voters to get to the polls & stay wt their GOP senators

[Landlord 12,420]

2 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

those big mean corporations....  

 

 

We need to force them to give themselves away. 
 

It’s been a long time since I’ve been in a conversation on here that blows me away as much as this one.  
 

Congrats. 

 

 

There are big mean corporations as  you say. Regulating them to a degree in a direction where the people that work for them get a proportionate/percentage share of their success, incentivizing the company to treat their workers well and the workers to work hard for their company, is one proposed solution to combat the big mean corporations. 

 

There are other proposed solutions as well. The actual issue here is the big mean corporations. They exist. I understand as a business owner you're sympathetic to others in those shoes, but please realize that plenty (not all) of $100mil businesses and higher aren't like you, and even though they're not Amazon they're still huge, powerful, and looking for any edge to exploit or corner to cut.

 

You're giving zero effort to think critically about the 'why' behind this proposal and acknowledge (or deny) the underlying problem that Bernie is trying to find a solution to. 

[TGHusker 5,561]

Bernie needs to concentrate on removing corporate welfare programs and not forcing corporations to create new ownership models.

[Frott Scost 4,267]

2 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

It is one thing to elect Bernie and another to get his programs through congress.  Look at it this way, the Dems would have to take over the senate and retain the house  - which is doable. However, if Bernie appears to be the likely winner vs Trump (of course Hillary was likely also until she wasn't) a lot of voters in red and purple states will come to the aid of the GOP senators running for office in my opinion.

 

I'd prefer to see a more moderate Dem defeat trump and I think it is more likely the Dems could take the senate then and hopefully reverse some to the GOP nonsense.  But if  Bernie is the nominee, that will excite GOP voters to get to the polls & stay wt their GOP senators

 

Trump doesn't already excite them?  He has a 95% approval rating with the party.  They are already coming to vote.  The dems need someone to create excitement to counter it.  Biden cant even get people to come vote for him in primaries.  What makes you think people will come vote for him in a general?

[FrankWheeler 854]

34 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

You just can’t get through your head that this is totally different than minimum wage, can you?

They are both just tools for wealth redistribution.  

[BigRedBuster 23,938]

2 minutes ago, Landlord said:

You're giving zero effort to think critically about the 'why' behind this proposal and acknowledge (or deny) the underlying problem that Bernie is trying to find a solution to. 

I’m fine discussing employee issues.
 

But forcing an owner to give away stock in his company is something I will not ever be able to support. 
 

It’s absolutely mind blowing that it’s even being discussed as a legitimate option by a leading candidate for President.  

[deedsker 886]

1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

That’s not what the quoted part of the proposal said. 

publicly traded companies

[Frott Scost 4,267]

1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said:

I’m fine discussing employee issues.
 

But forcing an owner to give away stock in his company is something I will not ever be able to support. 
 

It’s absolutely mind blowing that it’s even being discussed as a legitimate option by a leading candidate for President.  

 

I agree with you on this one. 

 

He needs to stick to healthcare, education and climate change and stop trying to be a beauty pageant winner and trying to solve every world issue.

[BigRedBuster 23,938]

1 minute ago, FrankWheeler said:

They are both just tools for wealth redistribution.  

[BigRedBuster 23,938]

3 hours ago, Nebfanatic said:

Under this plan, corporations with at least $100 million in annual revenue, corporations with at least $100 million in balance sheet total, and all publicly traded companies will be required to provide at least 2 percent of stock to their workers every year until the company is at least 20 percent owned by employees. This will be done through the

The word AND is a key word in the sentence. @deedsker

[TGHusker 5,561]

21 minutes ago, Frott Scost said:

 

Trump doesn't already excite them?  He has a 95% approval rating with the party.  They are already coming to vote.  The dems need someone to create excitement to counter it.  Biden cant even get people to come vote for him in primaries.  What makes you think people will come vote for him in a general?

Yes, Trump has the support of the majority of the party but there are plenty of us who are conservative who won't vote for him.   I just don't want the GOP voter excited anymore by the Dem candidate. 

I guess there is a balance - will the Dem nominee excite the Dem base more than what he/she excites the GOP base to oppose.

 

I'm hoping trump voters will think it is in the bag and just not show up - like Hillary voters failed to show up in Pa, MI, Wisc, Fl in 2016

 

 

[TGHusker 5,561]

  Bernie is trying to do a way wt the bedrock of our society - a capitalistic society that made us great before trump came along.  It is the way we've been the breadbasket of the world, an innovation leader and the world economic leader - which (strong economy) ends up paying for all of our govt social programs.  Fix the evils but don't throw it all away.   Deal wt the corporate welfare and tax issues but the idea of forcing companies to take on 'partners' in the ownership structure is totally contrary to how this country was built.  This plan would be a slippery slope to a place we don't want to end up at.

I think a better plan is to create incentives whereby more individuals feel they can take risks to start companies.  Let the govt develop incubator programs that reward individuals to take those risks, to develop entrepreneur skills, etc.   Level the playing field by removing corp welfare programs that rewards certain established companies and makes entry my new comers more difficult. 

[deedsker 886]

16 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

The word AND is a key word in the sentence. @deedsker

Which to me means that all previous criteria must be met. Criteria 1, criteria 2, and criteria 3 must all be hit to have such effect.

 

If the word was "or", I would be as scared as you.

 

[Frott Scost 4,267]

15 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

Yes, Trump has the support of the majority of the party but there are plenty of us who are conservative who won't vote for him.   I just don't want the GOP voter excited anymore by the Dem candidate. 

I guess there is a balance - will the Dem nominee excite the Dem base more than what he/she excites the GOP base to oppose.

 

 

 

I guess my thought process is Id rather bring out some of the 108,000,000 people who didn't vote last election instead of the dozens of never Trump republicans.  I kid I kid.  But really its a very small number and I don't think it is a secret that when there is a large voter turnout democrats usually win elections since a majority of the country is more liberal.