The 2020 Presidential Election - Convention & General Election

[Danny Bateman]

16 minutes ago, BlitzFirst said:

 

How about his full on mouth kissing of his granddaughter?

 

https://nypost.com/2020/02/03/joe-biden-kisses-granddaughter-on-lips-during-iowa-rally/

 

It’s his family, who cares.

 

People that vote on stuff like this are dopes.

[Redux]

1 hour ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

Hey,  you leave smooth jazz alone. That's my go-to when I need to chill the f out.

 

It's good stuff 

[Landlord]

3 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

why is this even being discussed if people aren’t claiming it’s illegal or horrible?

 

 

Because it still sucks a$$ and is disheartening. It's even moreso when it's the powerful, rich establishment working against the only candidate that has existed for ages who has integrity and is radically for the people first and generally not for corporations, billionaires, power hungry and elite.

[The Dude]

The only reason Biden is in the conversation at all right now is because the dems rallied behind him.  That's literally the only reason it's "neck and neck".  If they rallied behind Bernie it wouldn't be close.  The dems had 4 years to learn from their mistakes, yet here we are.

[The Dude]

I don't care if it's horrible.   It's just stupid.

[Notre Dame Joe]

 

11 hours ago, Landlord said:

If Biden wins the nomination, it'd be prudent to take up yoga and meditation, focus on breathing, and prepare yourself for another 4 years of Trump in chief. 

 

Trump plays dirty, and Biden can't possibly survive it. All Trump has to do is take out 'ads' which are just montages of Joe putting his hands all over little girls. No words or anything. 

 

Have you seen a poll that suggests Sanders has better odds against Trump?

 

11 hours ago, teachercd said:

Imagine thinking you need yoga to "prepare yourself for another 4 years of Trump"

 

 

Did they finally recover the rest of Hilary's emails?  She truly was the victim!

 

9 hours ago, Landlord said:

 

 

everyone strategically dropping out at the perfect times to have taken delegates from bernie and then at the worst time to coalesce their support behind Biden

 

8 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

Then what’s the purpose of creating this faux outrage?

 

The only reason Trump is using the word is because of his own collusion in 2016 (which was totally different). Trumpers like @Notre Dame Joe latch onto it trying to ....say what exactly?
 

why is this even being discussed if people aren’t claiming it’s illegal or horrible?

 

So you don't collusion is an impeachable offense? 

 

[BigRedBuster]

1 hour ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

So you don't collusion is an impeachable offense? 

Thanks for pointing out the only reason Trump is beating this drum. 
 

And...for pointing out that Trumpers have now friggen clue what the difference ya between the two situations. 

[BigRedBuster]

6 hours ago, Landlord said:

 

 

Because it still sucks a$$ and is disheartening. It's even moreso when it's the powerful, rich establishment working against the only candidate that has existed for ages who has integrity and is radically for the people first and generally not for corporations, billionaires, power hungry and elite.

Why....a party is in place to put forth candidates they want to represent them. A party is not the government. They can choose whomever they want and how ever they want. 
 

People are still voting for the candidate they want to vote for. They don’t have to vote for Biden just because someone else drops out and endorses him. The party isn’t forcing people to vote for Biden. 

[teachercd]

7 hours ago, Landlord said:

 

 

Because it still sucks a$$ and is disheartening. It's even moreso when it's the powerful, rich establishment working against the only candidate that has existed for ages who has integrity and is radically for the people first and generally not for corporations, billionaires, power hungry and elite.

Ahhh, yeah...I remember when I had to read the Communist Manifesto in World History 101.  

[Redux]

1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

People are still voting for the candidate they want to vote for.

 

Lol no they aren't.  They are voting for who they think the better of two unappealing choices is. 

[BigRedBuster]

3 hours ago, Redux said:

 

Lol no they aren't.  They are voting for who they think the better of two unappealing choices is. 

And this is somehow formed by horrible collusion that the evil deep state Democrats. 
 

People can still vote for Bernie if they think he’s the best candidate. 

[Danny Bateman]

7 hours ago, The Dude said:

The only reason Biden is in the conversation at all right now is because the dems rallied behind him.  That's literally the only reason it's "neck and neck".  If they rallied behind Bernie it wouldn't be close.  The dems had 4 years to learn from their mistakes, yet here we are.

 

This seems to take a pretty dismissive attitude towards the black voters who put Biden on his back and literally dragged him back into the frontrunner position.

 

Or women.

 

Or suburbanites.

 

Or white working class folks.

 

Hard as it is to believe there are people out there that legitimately just like Biden.

[ActualCornHusker]

30 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

This seems to take a pretty dismissive attitude towards the black voters who put Biden on his back and literally dragged him back into the frontrunner position.

 

Or women.

 

Or suburbanites.

 

Or white working class folks.

 

Hard as it is to believe there are people out there that legitimately just like Biden.

 

I don't see that as being the case. I suppose there are a fair amount of people who can ignore his obvious mental decline and think he's the best option. But a majority of Biden's support appears to be fears of nominating a self proclaimed socialist who spent a week praising Castro's "literacy program"

[Guy Chamberlin]

18 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

This seems to take a pretty dismissive attitude towards the black voters who put Biden on his back and literally dragged him back into the frontrunner position.

 

Or women.

 

Or suburbanites.

 

Or white working class folks.

 

Hard as it is to believe there are people out there that legitimately just like Biden.

 

I agree that the voters have spoken, and if the Democratic Establishment has a lot of secret backroom powers, they've done a pretty crappy job of exercising them.  Still, it's easy to imagine some kind of outreach to Pete Buttegieg and Amy Klobuchar only 48 hours before a Super Tuesday they'd already invested heavily in, and possibly to Mike Bloomberg, with the understanding that none of them could win in the current configuration, but working together they could defeat Bernie Sanders, a candidate who did not embrace the DNC and who many honestly don't think could defeat Donald Trump. The Party influencers get to do that. It's their party. And the voters could still override them, as they've done before.

 

But when you wake up and start looking at Joe as your savior, whether you genuinely like him or not, he can look really vulnerable. 

 

If you think Trump couldn't possibly attack Joe on nepotism, inappropriate touching, Eastern European corruption scandals, or dementia-tinted word salads because Trump is no better himself, you'd have it all wrong. Trump has already survived those, and Democrats have already insisted that they are better than that.

 

Also Biden has a 40 year history of supporting Medicare and Social Security cuts, his positions on fracking and other environmental issues are well to the right of Mike Bloomberg, and he publicly assured Wall Street executives just last year that nothing significant would change between Trump's administration and his. 

 

His notorious gaffes were always kinda amusing when he was the sitting Vice-President and playing Obama's gunslinger. Now that he's 77 years old and running for President things could quickly get cringeworthy. 

 

It's not that Joe Biden isn't perfect. It's that he's the next tepid compromise candidate from a Party that reacts from fear rather than conviction. 

[Danny Bateman]

11 minutes ago, ActualCornHusker said:

 

I don't see that as being the case. I suppose there are a fair amount of people who can ignore his obvious mental decline and think he's the best option. But a majority of Biden's support appears to be fears of nominating a self proclaimed socialist who spent a week praising Castro's "literacy program"

 

Joe Biden is in mental decline. Bernie Sanders is in mental decline. Donald Trump is in mental decline. The type of decline that is normal as a part of aging - occasional difficulty with retrieving stored factual knowledge, specific numbers, etc. None of them are as sharp with that as they were when they were younger. But to suggest Biden is somehow more affected or not competent to perform the role which he is seeking is just flat wrong. For a very detailed breakdown of why, see here:

 

(Didn't know we could embed Reddit posts, that's pretty cool.)

 

If you think how he speaks in debates is indicative of this mental decline, it's very clear you've just never really paid attention to how Joe Biden talks thorughout his lifespan.

 

But you're right. The single most powerful strand connecting people lining up behind Biden is detest for Trump. But he weaves a coalition of very different factions of people together in a way that Bernie is struggling to do. Maximizing AA turnout (and preventing Trump from making inroads there), suburban voters who once powered the GOP and cutting into Trump's blue collar, working class base is the reason Trump is rightly terrified of facing Biden.