The 2020 Presidential Election - Convention & General Election

[Danny Bateman]

17 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

I agree that the voters have spoken, and if the Democratic Establishment has a lot of secret backroom powers, they've done a pretty crappy job of exercising them.  Still, it's easy to imagine some kind of outreach to Pete Buttegieg and Amy Klobuchar only 48 hours before a Super Tuesday they'd already invested heavily in, and possibly to Mike Bloomberg, with the understanding that none of them could win in the current configuration, but working together they could defeat Bernie Sanders, a candidate who did not embrace the DNC and who many honestly don't think could defeat Donald Trump. The Party influencers get to do that. It's their party. And the voters could still override them, as they've done before.

 

But when you wake up and start looking at Joe as your savior, whether you genuinely like him or not, he can look really vulnerable. 

 

If you think Trump couldn't possibly attack Joe on nepotism, inappropriate touching, Eastern European corruption scandals, or dementia-tinted word salads because Trump is no better himself, you'd have it all wrong. Trump has already survived those, and Democrats have already insisted that they are better than that.

 

Also Biden has a 40 year history of supporting Medicare and Social Security cuts, his positions on fracking and other environmental issues are well to the right of Mike Bloomberg, and he publicly assured Wall Street executives just last year that nothing significant would change between Trump's administration and his. 

 

His notorious gaffes were always kinda amusing when he was the sitting Vice-President and playing Obama's gunslinger. Now that he's 77 years old and running for President things could quickly get cringeworthy. 

 

It's not that Joe Biden isn't perfect. It's that he's the next tepid compromise candidate from a Party that reacts from fear rather than conviction. 

 

And if Bernie wants to overthrow the establishment, he'll need to find a way for his message to reach and resonate with a broader group of people. To be honest, the strategy of collecting a plurality of 30-35% in a very fractured field and making his case at the convention was a smart play for a while but it appears it's not going to hold up now that it's a two-person race. So if the voters want Bernie, they will get him, regardless of what the party elites want, IF he earns their vote.

 

The argument I've heard countless times for Bernie is "The GOP is going to call us socialist anyway, since when do we care what they think?" also applies here. Of course they're going to slime Biden, just like they've slimed every Democrat ever since we've been having elections. Of course I realize attacks from Trump are coming.

 

Bernie's position on fracking will lose him PA, which would lose him the election.

 

If you want to get your knickers in a twist about the way Biden talks, that's your right. Know of course that he's battled a stutter his whole life and he frequently changes words mid-sentence in an attempt to prevent tripping over a word. This can lead to his speech sounding disjointed. In a way I think it's a strength as I'm sure there's lots of folks who will forgive him for talking less like a politician and more like a regular guy. People certainly didn't punish Trump for his babbling rants in 2016.

 

Biden's a good guy whose faced several tragedies in his life and found a way to bounce back and carry on nonetheless. Lots of people can believe in that.

[Ratt Mhule]

39 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

Joe Biden is in mental decline. Bernie Sanders is in mental decline. Donald Trump is in mental decline. The type of decline that is normal as a part of aging - occasional difficulty with retrieving stored factual knowledge, specific numbers, etc. None of them are as sharp with that as they were when they were younger. But to suggest Biden is somehow more affected or not competent to perform the role which he is seeking is just flat wrong. For a very detailed breakdown of why, see here:

 

(Didn't know we could embed Reddit posts, that's pretty cool.)

 

If you think how he speaks in debates is indicative of this mental decline, it's very clear you've just never really paid attention to how Joe Biden talks thorughout his lifespan.

 

But you're right. The single most powerful strand connecting people lining up behind Biden is detest for Trump. But he weaves a coalition of very different factions of people together in a way that Bernie is struggling to do. Maximizing AA turnout (and preventing Trump from making inroads there), suburban voters who once powered the GOP and cutting into Trump's blue collar, working class base is the reason Trump is rightly terrified of facing Biden.

Ive already come to terms that Biden is going to be the nominee. And just like you think Bernie would get his a$$ kicked, I think Biden will get his a$$ kicked. If you seriously think Biden is as sharp or just as sharp as Bernie you havent been paying attention. I hope you watch the debate on March 15th. No more hiding for Biden behind 10-15 min talking time in previous debates and he will be exposed to the world how bad his mental state truly is. 
 

Plus he has a terrible record so thats just more ammunition for GOP. 

[Danny Bateman]

13 minutes ago, Frott Scost said:

Ive already come to terms that Biden is going to be the nominee. And just like you think Bernie would get his a$$ kicked, I think Biden will get his a$$ kicked. If you seriously think Biden is as sharp or just as sharp as Bernie you havent been paying attention. I hope you watch the debate on March 15th. No more hiding for Biden behind 10-15 min talking time in previous debates and he will be exposed to the world how bad his mental state truly is. 
 

Plus he has a terrible record so thats just more ammunition for GOP. 

 

I don't get this attitude. I don't think he'd be a very general election candidate but I'd happily vote for him and work to support his campaign.

 

Why are you so angry at Joe?

 

Questioning his mental acuity reeks of desperation. The reason Bernie sounds good in debates is because he always pivots back to the same talking points regardless of what question he's asked. It lends to his image of consistency but it's pretty poor at actually learning more about his platform or how he will honestly handle skepticism.

[Ratt Mhule]

Just now, Danny Bateman said:

 

I don't get this attitude. I don't think he'd be a very general election candidate but I'd happily vote for him and work to support his campaign.

 

Why are you so angry at Joe?

 

Questioning his mental acuity reeks of desperation.

Im not angry at Joe. I have eyes. I can see it. Open yours and you may be able to see it too. It has nothing to do with desperation. It has to do with the fact its happening. 

[ActualCornHusker]

57 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

Joe Biden is in mental decline. Bernie Sanders is in mental decline. Donald Trump is in mental decline. The type of decline that is normal as a part of aging - occasional difficulty with retrieving stored factual knowledge, specific numbers, etc. None of them are as sharp with that as they were when they were younger. But to suggest Biden is somehow more affected or not competent to perform the role which he is seeking is just flat wrong. For a very detailed breakdown of why, see here:

 

(Didn't know we could embed Reddit posts, that's pretty cool.)

 

If you think how he speaks in debates is indicative of this mental decline, it's very clear you've just never really paid attention to how Joe Biden talks thorughout his lifespan.

 

But you're right. The single most powerful strand connecting people lining up behind Biden is detest for Trump. But he weaves a coalition of very different factions of people together in a way that Bernie is struggling to do. Maximizing AA turnout (and preventing Trump from making inroads there), suburban voters who once powered the GOP and cutting into Trump's blue collar, working class base is the reason Trump is rightly terrified of facing Biden.

 

You're right, Biden has never been an intelligent human being, but if you think his relative mental state is even close to where Trump's is, that's laughable. 

 

Say what you want about Donald Trump - the odd way he words things, his fitness for the position, etc. But watch trump's town hall from the other night and then reconsider whether you think Biden is anywhere close to that sharp mentally. 

[Danny Bateman]

2 minutes ago, Frott Scost said:

Im not angry at Joe. I have eyes. I can see it. Open yours and you may be able to see it too. It has nothing to do with desperation. It has to do with the fact its happening. 

 

No. It's not. He's released his full medical records. Bernie has not.

 

https://go.joebiden.com/page/-/CiU2iAa4Ig_ j5EQzueoad.pdf
 

Do you really think the mythical deep state or establishment would allow a senile Biden to be their banner carrier with everything on the line this year? Unless you're one of those "the establishment wants Trump to stay in power because it's good for business" truthers, surely you can agree that if Biden's mental state was faltering, they'd know and they'd coalesce behind someone else.

 

This "his brain is melting stuff" is a bunch of malarkey. And as long as people are going to keep hoisting it up in bad faith, someone should slap it back down.

[Ratt Mhule]

 

Its right in front of you Danny.  Stop believing your lying eyes.

[Danny Bateman]

3 minutes ago, ActualCornHusker said:

 

You're right, Biden has never been an intelligent human being, but if you think his relative mental state is even close to where Trump's is, that's laughable. 

 

Say what you want about Donald Trump - the odd way he words things, his fitness for the position, etc. But watch trump's town hall from the other night and then reconsider whether you think Biden is anywhere close to that sharp mentally. 

 

Or maybe we can elect someone who doesn't stare directly into the sun when told not to?

 

 

I'm feeling pretty good about the relative intelligence of these two men, thanks.

[Danny Bateman]

1 minute ago, Frott Scost said:

 

Its right in front of you Danny.  Stop believing your lying eyes.

 

Ahh yes, I'm sure Kulinski is saying this all in completely good faith.

 

But yeah, I'm sure a bunch of selectively spliced together clips totally proves this beyond a reasonable doubt. Especially with his background in neurological disorders and psychiatry and everything.

 

Get off the propaganda man.

 

 

[FrantzHardySwag]

2 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

Or maybe we can elect someone who doesn't stare directly into the sun when told not to?

 

 

I'm feeling pretty good about the relative intelligence of these two men, thanks.

I’m at a loss that someone can watch Trump and come away with the conclusion he’s “Mentally Sharp”. 
 

 

[Moiraine]

@Danny Bateman  you replied to theeast important stuff about Guy’s post.

 

Is Biden going to cut SS and Medicare?

Is Biden going to keep Trump’s tax cuts?

Is he going to let fracking go on as it is?

Is he going to undo the s#!tty executive orders?

 

I hope the answers to those are good.

[Nebfanatic]

45 minutes ago, ActualCornHusker said:

 

You're right, Biden has never been an intelligent human being, but if you think his relative mental state is even close to where Trump's is, that's laughable. 

 

Say what you want about Donald Trump - the odd way he words things, his fitness for the position, etc. But watch trump's town hall from the other night and then reconsider whether you think Biden is anywhere close to that sharp mentally. 

It doesn't take much to impress you I see. Trump has some serious problems and I'd be surprised if he is actually getting taken care of properly do to his hubris, which may actually be a symptom of his mental health. 

[Decoy73]

1 hour ago, Frott Scost said:

Im not angry at Joe. I have eyes. I can see it. Open yours and you may be able to see it too. It has nothing to do with desperation. It has to do with the fact its happening. 

You think Trump is a good candidate?

[Ratt Mhule]

51 minutes ago, Decoy73 said:

You think Trump is a good candidate?

Where in my post did I say that?

[Notre Dame Joe]

17 hours ago, Landlord said:

 

 

Because it still sucks a$$ and is disheartening. It's even moreso when it's the powerful, rich establishment working against the only candidate that has existed for ages who has integrity and is radically for the people first and generally not for corporations, billionaires, power hungry and elite.

a recent 538 article claimed that most of the 'late deciders' went to Biden.  They were late deciders because their own candidates dropped out of the race on the eve of the election.  without the brazen collusion, the moderate votes get split among Pete B, Klobuchar, etc and Sanders is still in the delegate driver seat.