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The 2020 Presidential Election - Convention & General Election

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2 minutes ago, knapplc said:

I think the progressive movement is just going to gain more and more steam in the next four years

I know this statement would surprise people on this forum 4 years ago, but I now think the USA is at a place where it needs more progressive legislation. 

 

Old world conservatism is not the policy position that will work any longer for America (probably never did-  since FDR we've had a mix of private/govt progressive  policies. Even Reagan was more of a moderate than a hard core conservative- despite his many jokes about big govt)  The old conservative mantra "let the private sector take care of it" will not work.  The idea of very small govt is a thing of the past.  The country has gotten much more diverse and we've matured (or are maturing through the eyes of its young people) to realize that there are real needs that need to be address and we cannot sweep them under the rug any longer.   Maybe as a conservative I can hope for more efficient govt which should be the goal of conservatives and liberals as efficiencies enables more programs to be funded.  

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16 minutes ago, RedDenver said:
19 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

* If true.

Good point. I'll edit.

 

You guys remember when Sanders said "a woman couldn't win?"* and the media lost their s#!t?

 

* if true...except the media didn't care...they went on for weeks and framed it like it WAS true.

 

Think Biden is getting the same shake?

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3 minutes ago, knapplc said:

I'm pretty sure what @TGHusker is theorizing is, after the DNC and Biden's been named the Dem candidate, what if between then and the general election he steps aside for his VP?

yep that was the question.

 

You are probably right - that as a private organization the Dem party could choose its path. But if it isn't Bernie, there will be hell to pay and trump may get re-elected. 

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1 minute ago, TGHusker said:

You are probably right - that as a private organization the Dem party could choose its path. But if it isn't Bernie, there will be hell to pay and trump may get re-elected. 

 

I don't think enough of the country is so in love with Bernie that if he gets screwed by the Democrat party that they'll switch votes.

 

What this election is going to hinge on is if enough people are fed up enough with Trump to vote against him no matter who the candidate is.

 

If so, the Dems could run Ed the Talking Horse and win.  If not, Trump's got the same chance as any incumbent.

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Just now, knapplc said:

 

I don't think enough of the country is so in love with Bernie that if he gets screwed by the Democrat party that they'll switch votes.

 

What this election is going to hinge on is if enough people are fed up enough with Trump to vote against him no matter who the candidate is.

 

If so, the Dems could run Ed the Talking Horse and win.  If not, Trump's got the same chance as any incumbent.

I don't think people are so in love with Bernie, but rather a combination of the other candidates not being popular and people getting disillusioned at the obvious ploy to deny Bernie the nomination will result in low voter turnout. Plus Trump will run on Bernie getting screwed by the Dem party again, and it'll ring true.

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3 minutes ago, BlitzFirst said:

 

You guys remember when Sanders said "a woman couldn't win?"* and the media lost their s#!t?

 

* if true...except the media didn't care...they went on for weeks and framed it like it WAS true.

 

Think Biden is getting the same shake?

 

This is two different conversations. The press doesn't cover Bernie the same way they cover other candidates, but that really has nothing to do with whether Biden raped a woman in 1993.

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2 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

I don't think enough of the country is so in love with Bernie that if he gets screwed by the Democrat party that they'll switch votes.

 

What this election is going to hinge on is if enough people are fed up enough with Trump to vote against him no matter who the candidate is.

 

If so, the Dems could run Ed the Talking Horse and win.  If not, Trump's got the same chance as any incumbent.

Speaking of Mr Ed and you were: Fun fact:  Ed is buried about 60 miles from my house - Tahlequah, Okla

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/mister-eds-grave

 

I hope you are right on the other.  In my gut I think so. But I don't want Bernie voters to sit on it in Fl, Mich, Wisc, PA - I want this to be a major defeat of trump and all that he stands for.

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4 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

This is two different conversations. The press doesn't cover Bernie the same way they cover other candidates, but that really has nothing to do with whether Biden raped a woman in 1993.

 

It matters with whether they COVER if Biden did.

 

News is news...it is either covered or it isn't by the media.  In this case, whether Bernie said remarks about a woman winning president is more interesting to the media than if Biden raped one.

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5 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

I don't think people are so in love with Bernie, but rather a combination of the other candidates not being popular and people getting disillusioned at the obvious ploy to deny Bernie the nomination will result in low voter turnout. Plus Trump will run on Bernie getting screwed by the Dem party again, and it'll ring true.

 

Biden is pretty well-liked, though. Especially in non-internet America, he's looked on as a decent guy. That's why Trump & Putin have been digging up dirt on him for so long. 

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Just now, BlitzFirst said:

 

It matters with whether the COVER if Biden did.

 

They'll cover it if there's enough evidence to cover it.  If not, it becomes a he-said/she-said from 27 years ago. And what are they supposed to do with that?

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6 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

Biden is pretty well-liked, though. Especially in non-internet America, he's looked on as a decent guy. That's why Trump & Putin have been digging up dirt on him for so long. 

True, but I'm not sure that helps if Biden drops out.

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33 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

I don't think enough of the country is so in love with Bernie that if he gets screwed by the Democrat party that they'll switch votes.

 

What this election is going to hinge on is if enough people are fed up enough with Trump to vote against him no matter who the candidate is.

 

If so, the Dems could run Ed the Talking Horse and win.  If not, Trump's got the same chance as any incumbent.

 

If so, the Dems could run Andrew Cuomo and win in a landslide.

 

Maybe.

 

I've actually given up predicting anything.

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Most of us have accepted it's going to be Biden vs. Trump. Not that either of them were many people's first choices here but it's what we're going to get.

 

 I do find it odd that the actual substance of the accusation against Biden here changed so dramatically from "he objectified me and touched my neck in a way I didn't consider sexual" to literal rape right at this point in time. I'm not going to call this woman a shill for Bernie or some Russian plant like a lot of people are, but there are some reasons for skepticism here. Most reputable media sources passed on this so we've got mainly Bernie media and Trump media hopping on this story in part because it benefits them.

 

The accusation is certainly ugly, but at this point, it is indeed a he said-she said situation.

 

Women should absolutely feel like they can speak their truth if they were attacked. But it's not unreasonable for the rest of us to hear an accusation and wait to see if there is truth to it before just assuming it is. 

 

Hell, with the information we have right now, this legitimately could be another Russian disinfo rabbithole. And yet the contingent of folks primarily concerned with seeing Trump succeed and/or Biden fail are jumping straight into it without abandon. 

 

Perhaps wait and see is the best approach.

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What exactly is this woman accusing Biden of doing? 

 

@BlitzFirst  @RedDenver 

 

I think you guys may know more about this than I do. Can you help me out?

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