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14 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

I don't want to start the whole Reade debate again, but she hasn't been discredited despite media opinion pieces declaring it so.

https://www.businessinsider.com/vote-biden-discredit-tara-reade-sexual-assualt-trump-election-2020-5

https://news.yahoo.com/another-tara-reade-friend-comes-080000628.html

 

AFAICT no new evidence has emerge since early June (second link above). That's not to say that Reade is any more credible than whatever you thought months ago, but time passing doesn't make her any more discredited either.

 

This is covered territory.  Not going to rehash it again.

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4 hours ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

Put it this way.  If you were a  bad actor trying to interfere with an election would you want people coming to the booth on Election Day or mailing their ballots in followed by weeks of counting?

 

If you were a bad actor, in this case the President of the United States, you would simply want to stir up doubt about the entire election process and use whatever you need in case you lose. The USPS was already a whipping boy and the combination of direct sabotage and unfounded conspiracy theory lets you declare the results invalid and keep yourself out of Southern District Court of New York indefinitely 

 

But it's really much simpler than that. Trump was informed that high voter turnout has always favored the Democrats, who have about 20 million more registered voters than Republicans.

 

Ergo: suppressing the vote is good for Donald Trump.

 

Bada-bing, bada-boom. 

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17 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

Powerful stuff here. Hopefully there are enough of these people out there to carry Biden despite not wanting to vote for him.

 

 

 

The subject no one wants to talk about...how Dems run for change but don't change anything once they are in office. 

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12 minutes ago, BlitzFirst said:

 

 

The subject no one wants to talk about...how Dems run for change but don't change anything once they are in office. 

Make sure you watch the part where she explains why she changed her mind and will vote for Biden.

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1 hour ago, BlitzFirst said:

 

 

The subject no one wants to talk about...how Dems run for change but don't change anything once they are in office. 

 

 

It’s unfortunate they don’t change things enough, however that is still preferable to the changes Trump has brought. We need to stop settling though. 

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1 hour ago, BlitzFirst said:

 

 

The subject no one wants to talk about...how Dems run for change but don't change anything once they are in office. 

 

The Dems do make changes, and comparatively they are changes for the better. The problem is that they are generally incremental changes, often the result of pre-emptive compromise, and we have been chased to the edge by 40 years of rightward drift, a place where you gotta think big because that incremental step is a killer. 

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10 hours ago, DevoHusker said:

The scope of Trump's bullsh*t slinging is truly monumental. I hope, should Biden win, that journalists like Mr Kessler continue their vigilance, and hold Biden's feet to the fire for his "Pinnochio Scale" as well. Can you say CornPop? :lol:

 

5 hours ago, admo said:

I wonder if there is anything keeping Biden from winning?   :dunno  On his own behalf?  Could he screw it up?  Just an honest question. 

 

 

Biden's own voice.  He's not even good on the teleprompter.  But off of it we see objective signs of cognitive decline.  But to be credit they change his position so quickly it's unreasonable to expect Biden to remember.

 

7 hours ago, RedDenver said:

Make sure you watch the part where she explains why she changed her mind and will vote for Biden.

 

And if you believed that, you think the Ds want mail in voting to get a fair count. 

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11 hours ago, RedDenver said:

Powerful stuff here. Hopefully there are enough of these people out there to carry Biden despite not wanting to vote for him.

 

 

 

Ya... "the Obama presidency broke a lot of people" was a good comment. But I feel like the people who thought he was going to fix everything didn't understand politics in this country in the first place. Hypothetically even if Sanders had become president I feel like he wouldn't have been able to do much. I still would have voted for him but I think he only would have tried to help move things a bit left and (hopefully) pave the way for something more. Of course now we won't even get that.

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13 hours ago, admo said:

I wonder if there is anything keeping Biden from winning?   :dunno  On his own behalf?  Could he screw it up?  Just an honest question. 

 

 

For everything I can think of, Trump has done something as bad or worse. So, let's say some video proof of Tara Reade's allegations comes out, some security camera caught it on tape, or something. That's terrible for Biden's candidacy - except we have the equivalent for Trump (and have had since 2016), plus like two dozen more women accusing him.  To an objective voter, this would still make Biden the lesser of two evils.

 

Maybe there's something concrete they can dig up in Ukraine with Hunter Biden - but Trump's children have benefitted financially from Trump holding office to such a greater extent that this shouldn't mean anything to an objective voter.

 

There's the "Biden's losing his mind" argument the right is trying to push, but anyone who's watched Biden & Trump speak knows that's a glass house both men live in, and neither can throw a stone that's going to affect the voters.

 

Can some policy issue come out that affects Biden? Maybe? But I can't think of anything Biden has done or might do that would be worse than what Trump has been doing. Again, I'm not seeing room for a screw-up there.

 

I don't know enough about Biden's alleged scandals to rattle off any more. Maybe someone else can help.

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2 hours ago, QMany said:

 

This is one part of it. The fact that Trump doesn't prepare for the town halls or debates and Biden does is another key in this whole issue.

 

Another huge part of it, is if an undecided voter has an issue with the current state of the country, it's a much easier question to answer from a challenger position compared to an incumbent. This reason alone swung some voters to Trump in 2016. The mentality of "Let's see if he can do any better than career politicians/diplomats", is one I heard quite a few times. I understood where that person was coming from, but don't agree with that application to The President of The United States of America. 

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