Undone Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said: Someday the truth will be written, but it's virtually certain that MSNBC has top-down instructions to take Bernie Sanders out of the race. It's across the board....from the pundits they feature, to the pundits they've banished, to the willful misrepresentations in their polls and graphics. If only anybody actually gave a s*** anymore what the legacy media says or thinks, that might actually matter. Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Undone said: If only anybody actually gave a s*** anymore what the legacy media says or thinks, that might actually matter. Well I hear a lot of Dem voters parroting EXACTLY the MSNBC narrative from the video Landlord posted. They are shopping for other candidates, but not really falling in love. Bernie's base is both consistent and passionate. Interestingly enough, Fox kept up a drumbeat for months in 2016/2016 about Donald Trump being doomed to fade and a huge liability for the GOP at large. It's going to be interesting when the voters actually vote. 1 Link to comment
Undone Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said: Well I hear a lot of Dem voters parroting EXACTLY the MSNBC narrative from the video Landlord posted. They are shopping for other candidates, but not really falling in love. Bernie's base is both consistent and passionate. There's a snowball's chance in hell that a guy that openly admonishes pharmaceutical companies is going to be pumped up by the legacy media. Absolutely zero chance. I have heard that as much as roughly 60-70% of network news' ad revenue is funded by pharmaceutical companies (which I understand doesn't fit the criteria for MSNBC). I don't have any source for that and that claim may be false. But even if it's not quite that high, I'm sure it's a sizeable chunk. No chance of a guy like that getting the corporatists' blessings. 1 Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 49 minutes ago, Undone said: There's a snowball's chance in hell that a guy that openly admonishes pharmaceutical companies is going to be pumped up by the legacy media. Absolutely zero chance. I have heard that as much as roughly 60-70% of network news' ad revenue is funded by pharmaceutical companies (which I understand doesn't fit the criteria for MSNBC). I don't have any source for that and that claim may be false. But even if it's not quite that high, I'm sure it's a sizeable chunk. No chance of a guy like that getting the corporatists' blessings. Yes and no. Every Democratic candidate and most Republicans will admonish Big Pharma in their stump speeches, promising to fight them over their ridiculously high drug prices. I think pharma knows who is the more serious threat (Sanders) and who they can lobby (Biden, Butteigieg) but fighting high drug prices and promoting job growth works across the voter demographics. And here's an interesting take. Apparently the President thinks Big Pharma is trying to get him impeached: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/03/trump-suggests-pharmaceutical-industry-is-driving-impeachment.html 2 Link to comment
Ratt Mhule Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 And people want progressives to “play nice” during the primaries. f#&% that s#!t. 2 Link to comment
Ratt Mhule Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, BlitzFirst said: I don't know how you can pay for it? He laid it out for you. Tax the companies what you're supposed to tax them and it's a good starting point. Thats not even the part that pissed me off the most. The part that pissed me off the most is that a member of the democratic party just admitted on live tv that he would vote for Trump over Bernie. And hes not the only person in the democratic party that feels that way. 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Voting for Trump over Bernie is idiotic at this point. But....maybe the Dems need to nominate someone not as far far left as Bernie so they appeal to moderates. 2 1 Link to comment
Ratt Mhule Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: Voting for Trump over Bernie is idiotic at this point. But....maybe the Dems need to nominate someone not as far far left as Bernie so they appeal to moderates. Or maybe they need to turn out their dem base, get people who normally don't vote to vote, get millenials to vote and stop worrying about moderate republicans and trump voters. Just a thought. I don't understand why the party that is suppose to be left leaning and for workers, which neither are true at this point, are obligated to pick someone moderates and republicans always want. But actual people on the left never have anyone to vote for and that's okay to moderates as long as they have their nominee. 1 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Frott Scost said: Or maybe they need to turn out their dem base, get people who normally don't vote to vote, get millenials to vote and stop worrying about moderate republicans and trump voters. Just a thought. Wow...ok. Glad to know the Dems shouldn't give a s#!t about a moderate conservative like me. 2 Link to comment
Ratt Mhule Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Just now, BigRedBuster said: Wow...ok. Glad to know the Dems shouldn't give a s#!t about a moderate conservative like me. You have the republican party to take care of you. Not our fault Trump was your nominee. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Frott Scost said: You have the republican party to take care of you. Not our fault Trump was your nominee. I'm not a Republican and I don't support Trump. So....thanks for telling me I shouldn't have someone to vote for. 2 Link to comment
Ratt Mhule Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: I'm not a Republican and I don't support Trump. So....thanks for telling me I shouldn't have someone to vote for. Youre telling me the same thing and everyone on the left the same thing. You just said "But....maybe the Dems need to nominate someone not as far far left as Bernie so they appeal to moderates". Im not sure why this is hard to understand. The dems abandon their base every time to appeal to moderates and republican voters which makes people not want to vote or care to vote. The republicans keep going right and the dems keep moving with them. Try something new for a change. Get out your own base, get disenfranchised voters and get young people. That's how you win. Not moving more right. Not difficult stuff. 1 1 Link to comment
DevoHusker Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said: Wow...ok. Glad to know the Dems shouldn't give a s#!t about a moderate conservative like me. or me...or my entire family...or most non-Maga folks I know Link to comment
teachercd Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Frott Scost said: You have the republican party to take care of you. Not our fault Trump was your nominee. And here is the problem. 1 Link to comment
Ratt Mhule Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, DevoHusker said: or me...or my entire family...or most non-Maga folks I know So what would your recommendation be for folks like me on the left? Bernie run as third party? Sounds good to me. Somehow I think that would piss people off too. Link to comment
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