The 2020 Presidential Election - Convention & General Election

[Moiraine]

11 minutes ago, BlitzFirst said:

Well, it wasn't a joke.  I don't like Fox either but I still watch them to see how stupid people can be.  That way when I engage with the other side of the fence, I at least understand half of what they're spewing.

 

By closing yourself off to anything contrary to your own opinion, you often times will be in danger of operating in an echo chamber.

 

 

That's only a danger if what you're closing yourself off to isn't total bulls#!t.

[Danny Bateman]

2 hours ago, BlitzFirst said:

 

Really it doesn't matter.  The fact that the other side of things watches Fox means I watch portions of it in order to know what they're thinking.  Knowing 2 sides to the story is better than one.

 

Sun Tzu said to know your enemy.

 

It's not like average Republicans are actually our enemies. At least not the ones who aren't hardcore Trumpers. The forces driving Fox News and the Trump GOP are, I'd argue.

 

Either way, I agree with you that there is value in keeping tabs on what their media ecosystem is feeding them. If you understand a message you know how to combat it.

[knapplc]

4 hours ago, BlitzFirst said:

By closing yourself off to anything contrary to your own opinion

 

Yeah. I don't do that.

 

But I also don't read Pravda or Tass or whatever the current Russian state media is. And I don't think abstaining from that puts me in an echo chamber

 

I'm pretty good getting the national & local media from a diverse variety of sources that I get it from. Don't assume.

[knapplc]

49 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said:

there is value in keeping tabs on what their media ecosystem is feeding them

 

Sure. But you don't have to directly consume Fox News prop to get that.

[knapplc]

Some numbers on where candidates stand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And the final tweet, which will pull the one above it in as well. Sorry for the duplication.

 

 

 

 

The tweet in the middle of this is the most fascinating to me.  Biden's support is highly polarized:

 

"Biden's support is basically entirely older voters. Among people over 65, he is still the frontrunner. He is supported by only 2 percent of voters under 45. "

 

TWO PERCENT!  That's get-off-the-podium numbers!

 

Klobuchar, Harris, Yang, Booker, Gabbard, Steyer, Beto & Castro all just need to get out. Let the viable candidates have the stage. Not that they're pulling much support from the Big Four, but at this point we don't need their voices adding to the din.

 

The last tweet is something we're seeing right here in this thread. Sanders supporters like THEIR GUY, and it seems like not much else. The crucial thing will be if Sanders doesn't get the nomination, will they support whomever does? Will they get out & vote?

 

When Biden entered the race I figured he'd be the nominee. As this has played out, I'm almost entirely certain he won't be. I think it'll be Bernie or Warren. I genuinely don't think Buttigieg has a chance.

[Ratt Mhule]

21 minutes ago, knapplc said:

Some numbers on where candidates stand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And the final tweet, which will pull the one above it in as well. Sorry for the duplication.

 

 

 

 

The tweet in the middle of this is the most fascinating to me.  Biden's support is highly polarized:

 

"Biden's support is basically entirely older voters. Among people over 65, he is still the frontrunner. He is supported by only 2 percent of voters under 45. "

 

TWO PERCENT!  That's get-off-the-podium numbers!

 

Klobuchar, Harris, Yang, Booker, Gabbard, Steyer, Beto & Castro all just need to get out. Let the viable candidates have the stage. Not that they're pulling much support from the Big Four, but at this point we don't need their voices adding to the din.

 

The last tweet is something we're seeing right here in this thread. Sanders supporters like THEIR GUY, and it seems like not much else. The crucial thing will be if Sanders doesn't get the nomination, will they support whomever does? Will they get out & vote?

 

When Biden entered the race I figured he'd be the nominee. As this has played out, I'm almost entirely certain he won't be. I think it'll be Bernie or Warren. I genuinely don't think Buttigieg has a chance.

I like Warren. I would be happy to vote for her. I just think Bernie is a little more progressive and will fight more for healthcare which is my top issue. I also like Yang. I think he brings in a much needed voice to the debates. But like I said yesterday, Ill vote for whoever nominee is. 

[TGHusker]

42 minutes ago, knapplc said:

I genuinely don't think Buttigieg has a chance.

Good post- lots of great info.

I wouldn't be surprised by a Warren/Buttigieg ticket.

[Ratt Mhule]

5 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

Good post- lots of great info.

I wouldn't be surprised by a Warren/Buttigieg ticket.

Two people with very low African American support is a losing ticket. I wouldnt be surprised if she chose someone like Ro Khanna or Pramila Jayapal as her running mate. Two strong and upcoming progressives but not with the radical language as Sanders. Centrists would listen to them and think they make a ton of sense, which they do. 

[TGHusker]

23 minutes ago, Frott Scost said:

Two people with very low African American support is a losing ticket. I wouldnt be surprised if she chose someone like Ro Khanna or Pramila Jayapal as her running mate. Two strong and upcoming progressives but not with the radical language as Sanders. Centrists would listen to them and think they make a ton of sense, which they do. 

The AA vote will NOT  go to Trump.  So your concern is that they will sit it out??   I don't think they will - stakes are too high.  Ro seems like an interesting guy. 

[QMany]

21 hours ago, BlitzFirst said:

BTW, in the video, D. Rep from WV said he'd vote for Trump over Bernie.  That's how stupid people are right now.

 

21 hours ago, Frott Scost said:

The video is a senator in the democratic party saying on live tv that he vote for Trump over Bernie. 

 

I just watched that Fox News clip. Manchin does not say he would vote for Trump. Twice, he mumbles "it wouldn't be Bernie" after talking about how he doesn't support his agenda. The Fox News commentator quickly says "so it would be the President" and cuts away as fast as possible.

[Ratt Mhule]

14 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

The AA vote will go to Trump.  So your concern is that they will sit it out??   I don't think they will - stakes are too high.  Ro seems like an interesting guy. 

 

You mean will not go to Trump?

 

I don't know if they will or not.  With the things coming out about Buttigieg from South Bend, it would be a mistake for him to be anywhere near the ticket.  The GOP will hammer him about it.  With Warren, we will have the name calling and the Pocohontas and all that junk but I feel like all she has to do is apologize and people will forget it.  With Buttigieg, I don't know if AA can get over something like that.

[TGHusker]

1 minute ago, Frott Scost said:

 

You mean will not go to Trump?

 

I don't know if they will or not.  With the things coming out about Buttigieg from South Bend, it would be a mistake for him to be anywhere near the ticket.  The GOP will hammer him about it.  With Warren, we will have the name calling and the Pocohontas and all that junk but I feel like all she has to do is apologize and people will forget it.  With Buttigieg, I don't know if AA can get over something like that.

Thanks for the catch.  Changed now.    You may be on to something about the South Bend issue.  That could be a ball and chain that keeps him off the ticket.  

[NM11046]

1 hour ago, TGHusker said:

The AA vote will NOT  go to Trump.  So your concern is that they will sit it out??   I don't think they will - stakes are too high.  Ro seems like an interesting guy. 

The 2018 Blue Wave was driven by minorities, specifically black women.  2016 was lost because of the decrease in AA's voting (they turned out in record numbers for Obama and Hillary really lost that_

 

When Dems GO TO VOTE we win.  If folks aren't engaged, specifically minorities and women and decide not to vote at all we lose.  The GOP has very loyal, older, white retirees that vote - every election.  But if the youth, diverse, women get out in 2020 we will perform well. 

 

I love Pete but I think he gets a cabinet position first (maybe Sec of State).  I don't know that "the south bend issue" is one that will hamper him - when he's been able to get in front of minority communities to discuss they seem to walk away with less animosity.  All Sharpton has had some interesting broadcast discussions about it.  And Pete's owned up to his role in not doing enough, and I think made plans for improvement.  

 

It's the same people reacting to headlines instead of understanding the entirety of the situation.  (South Bend, Pocahontas, Kamalas' legal career, Joes' son, Bernie is a socialist)  Speaking with a couple friends of mine who are AA males in Chicago, they don't think the "south bend" thing impacts the Buttegig vote in their community - what is an issue in the AA communities is the perception of gay males.  Between the church goers and the "on the down low" which is still very real, they think (and one of them is gay) that as a whole his sexuality probably hurts him more, especially with older AA.

 

I think Beto is interesting as he'd pull TX votes over and that would be huge, but I don't think he brings a lot more than that to the table.  Will be interesting to see how the VP is picked.  

[Ratt Mhule]

14 minutes ago, NM11046 said:

The 2018 Blue Wave was driven by minorities, specifically black women.  2016 was lost because of the decrease in AA's voting (they turned out in record numbers for Obama and Hillary really lost that_

 

When Dems GO TO VOTE we win.  If folks aren't engaged, specifically minorities and women and decide not to vote at all we lose.  The GOP has very loyal, older, white retirees that vote - every election.  But if the youth, diverse, women get out in 2020 we will perform well. 

 

I love Pete but I think he gets a cabinet position first (maybe Sec of State).  I don't know that "the south bend issue" is one that will hamper him - when he's been able to get in front of minority communities to discuss they seem to walk away with less animosity.  All Sharpton has had some interesting broadcast discussions about it.  And Pete's owned up to his role in not doing enough, and I think made plans for improvement.  

 

It's the same people reacting to headlines instead of understanding the entirety of the situation.  (South Bend, Pocahontas, Kamalas' legal career, Joes' son, Bernie is a socialist)  Speaking with a couple friends of mine who are AA males in Chicago, they don't think the "south bend" thing impacts the Buttegig vote in their community - what is an issue in the AA communities is the perception of gay males.  Between the church goers and the "on the down low" which is still very real, they think (and one of them is gay) that as a whole his sexuality probably hurts him more, especially with older AA.

 

I think Beto is interesting as he'd pull TX votes over and that would be huge, but I don't think he brings a lot more than that to the table.  Will be interesting to see how the VP is picked.  

 

Im not sure how hes getting out in front of it when new things have emerged since the initial break.  I think youre downplaying the impact of it as his support is I think 0% in the AA community.

 

[NM11046]

2 minutes ago, Frott Scost said:

 

Im not sure how hes getting out in front of it when new things have emerged since the initial break.  I think youre downplaying the impact of it as his support is I think 0% in the AA community.

 

I haven't seen this, so I'll watch it this weekend.

 

Not downplaying anything - just sharing the opinions of my friends who are part of that community.