Nebfanatic Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Just now, ActualCornHusker said: What far right policies or opinions do you think I agree with? What democratic policies do you consider radical? Link to comment
knapplc Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Just now, ActualCornHusker said: What far right policies or opinions do you think I agree with? The one where they claim the Dems are just as corrupt as the GOP. The one where the Dems have become "so far left" that their "actual policies are radical." The one where "JFK would not recognize the Dem party of today." For starters. None of which are true, but all of which are far right tropes about the Democrats. 1 Link to comment
ActualCornHusker Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Just now, Nebfanatic said: What democratic policies do you consider radical? Good question. Here would be a list of horrendous policy proposals that the left is riding on currently: - federal jobs guarantee - green new deal -$15 minimum wage -Forgiving student debt -Wealth tax -"free" college That's a few of the worst ideas. Link to comment
Ratt Mhule Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 34 minutes ago, ActualCornHusker said: Dems are just as corrupt if not more so than the GOP, and now they've drifted so far left that their actual policies are radical. JFK would not recognize the Dem party of today. I can agree with the left on legalizing marijuana and a reasonable path to citizenship for illegals off the top of my head, but pretty much every other policy is pure idiocy Correction: Sanders and Warren are trying to move the party left. They are almost to where FDR was. A social democrat that got elected over and over and over and over again. The corporatist wing of the party is probably more center-right. As far as the bold: try again. 3 1 Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, ActualCornHusker said: Good question. Here would be a list of horrendous policy proposals that the left is riding on currently: - federal jobs guarantee - green new deal -$15 minimum wage -Forgiving student debt -Wealth tax -"free" college That's a few of the worst ideas. Not sure I would call any of those things radical, but what about the Green New Deal specifically is so bad? I hear so many people talk about how terrible it is but never give a real reason why. Link to comment
knapplc Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, ActualCornHusker said: Good question. Here would be a list of horrendous policy proposals that the left is riding on currently: - federal jobs guarantee - green new deal -$15 minimum wage -Forgiving student debt -Wealth tax -"free" college That's a few of the worst ideas. Interesting that every one of these deals, fundamentally, with money. Money is the thing Republicans most want to protect. Seems there's a pretty clear Bible verse about that, too. But let's look at this: Federal Jobs Guarantee - this is a plank of Bernie's platform. No other candidate has espoused this idea. Green New Deal - Again, no candidate other than Bernie endorses this. It's AOC's proposal and it hasn't got a snowball's chance at passing. But the major argument against it: It's too expensive. Again, money. $15 Minimum Wage - We've finally got a major party plank. Current Federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour and hasn't increased in ten years. To become match inflation from when minimum wage was at its peak it'd have to be at least $10/hour right now, and the $15/hour proposal would be enacted in 2024. What's wrong with this plan? Why should we keep such a hugely devalued minimum wage? That idea is radical. Student Debt Forgiveness - Only really supported by Bernie and Warren. Oh, and a Trump appointee's disciple who quit the administration after recognizing the destructive nature of the current student debt crisis. Wealth Tax - calling this "radical" is comical. Why shouldn't the wealthy pay their fair share in taxes? Free College - Broad support amongst current Democrat candidates. Congrats, this is three of the six items on your worst ideas list that is actually a major part of the party's platform. So you're only partially misrepresenting the Democrats. Progress? But again, why is this a "worst" idea? What's wrong with it, other than it will cost money? 1 Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, suh_fan93 said: Yea I though about posting that the other day. Not a good look Biden, not a good look. To be clear, I'm ok with a candidate who is against federal legalization, but you need to have a better reason than that. 1 Link to comment
knapplc Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Nebfanatic said: Yea I though about posting that the other day. Not a good look Biden, not a good look. That phrase defines his whole campaign to date. 2 1 Link to comment
Danny Bateman Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, knapplc said: That phrase defines his whole campaign to date. Meh. I'm fine with Biden. He's not my favorite but not my least favorite either. Weed is definitely one area where we disagree, though. He's a dinosaur on this. Link to comment
knapplc Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 29 minutes ago, ActualCornHusker said: Good question. Here would be a list of horrendous policy proposals that the left is riding on currently: - federal jobs guarantee - green new deal -$15 minimum wage -Forgiving student debt -Wealth tax -"free" college That's a few of the worst ideas. So, the far right hates these ideas. But how do most Americans feel about them? Free College/Elimination of Student Debt Quote A majority of voters said they support the idea of free state college and canceling student debt, according to a Hill-HarrisX poll released on Thursday. The survey found that 58 percent of registered voters said they would support a proposal that would make public colleges, universities and trade schools tuition-free. The same group also said they would back a plan eliminating all existing student debt. Forty-two percent of respondents said they would oppose such a proposal. Democrats were more likely to support the idea of free state college and forgiving student debt. Seventy-two percent of Democratic voters said they are in favor of making higher education tuition-free and eliminating student debt, compared to 40 percent of Republicans. Fifty-eight percent of independents, meanwhile, said the same. Taxing the Wealthy Quote Most Americans Support Increasing Taxes on the Wealthy Support for raising taxes is widespread, according to a new poll, which found that 76% of registered voters want the wealthiest Americans to pay more. Americans also have a preference as to what a tax increase should look like, according to the Politico/Morning Consult survey. Politico found that 61% of Americans are in favor of a “wealth tax”proposed by Democrat presidential candidate Sen. Elizabeth Warren from Massachusetts, which would increase taxes on those with a net worth of $50 million or more. Less favorable, but with a sizable support of 45%, is a plan by New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, which includes a 70% marginal tax rate on income more than $10 million. She is also a contender for the Democratic nomination to run for president. $15 Minimum Wage Quote Two-thirds of Americans favor raising federal minimum wage to $15 an hour By a wide margin, Americans say they favor raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour. But there is a deep partisan divide in views of this proposed policy – a version of which recently passed the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives, though it is unlikely to be taken up by the GOP-controlled Senate. Two-thirds of Americans (67%) support raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour, including 41% who say they strongly favor such an increase, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted this spring. Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents are largely united in backing a $15 an hour federal minimum wage: 86% favor this, including nearly six-in-ten (59%) who say they strongly support it. Republican opinion on this issue is more divided, but a majority of Republicans and Republican leaners – 57% – oppose raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour, including nearly three-in-ten (29%) who say they are strongly against it. Federal Jobs Guarantee Quote Majority of voters support a federal jobs guarantee program More than 70 percent of voters in a national poll released Wednesday said they would support a federal jobs program. Forty-two percent of respondents said they would “somewhat support” such a program while 36 percent said they would “strongly support” it, according to a Harris/HillTV poll. Five percent “somewhat” opposed such an initiative, while 6 percent strongly opposed it. Another 11 percent were unsure. Majorities also supported such a program when the results were separated by gender. Thirty-four percent of women and 38 percent of men strongly supported the idea, while 45 percent of women and 40 percent of men strongly supported it. Five percent of both men and women strongly opposed it, while 3 percent of men and 8 percent of women strongly supported it. The strongest support for the idea came from those who identified as strongly liberal, 62 percent of whom said they strongly support it. Forty-seven percent of those who said they leaned liberal strongly supported a national jobs program, as did 39 percent of moderates, 15 percent of those who leaned conservative and 25 percent of those who were strongly conservative. You're goinig to LOVE this last one: The Green New Deal Quote More than 80% of Americans support almost all of the key ideas in Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Green New Deal Next, we polled seven ideas or components of the deal that would be linked to policy priorities, all of which are quite vague. Given the loose nature of the proposals, we asked respondents how important it was to implement these policy proposals, on a scale with five options running from "not at all important" to "extremely important." 87.6% of respondents said it was somewhat, very, or extremely important that the federal government invest in infrastructure designed to build resilience against climate-change-related disasters. 87.2% of poll respondents said it was somewhat, very, or extremely important that the US meet 100% of its power demands through renewable or zero-emission energy sources; 12.7% said this goal was either not so important or not at all important. 86% of those polled said it was important that the federal government enact policies aimed at achieving net-zero greenhouse-gas emissions (which would mean no added carbon dioxide in the atmosphere). Support for improving the energy efficiency of new and existing buildings was particularly high at 89%. And 87.5% of respondents said it's important that both manufacturing and agricultural businesses and industries be required to be as emission-free as technologically feasible. The resolution's call for major investment in energy-efficient transportation was also popular, with 87.6% of those polled saying it's important that the government invest directly in a high-speed rail system, zero-emission vehicle infrastructure, and clean public transit. And big majorities of respondents supported a broad call for a much stronger social safety net. Seventy-eight percent said a federal jobs guarantee was important. And 69.8% somewhat approved, approved, or strongly approved of the government providing all Americans with high-quality healthcare, affordable housing, economic security, healthy and affordable food, and a clean environment. So... if a majority of Americans support all of the things you consider "horrendous policy proposals" maybe it's not these policies that are radical. Maybe opposition to these policies is. And maybe that's something to do some soul-searching on. 3 1 2 Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 21 minutes ago, knapplc said: Wealth Tax - calling this "radical" is comical. Why shouldn't the wealthy pay their fair share in taxes? The majority of Americans support higher taxes on the wealthy. The design of those taxes are what's being debated. The proposed wealth tax is more radical than previous types of taxes. And, as proposed, I can't support it even thought I support appropriate taxation (higher than current) on wealthy people. 1 Link to comment
knapplc Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said: The majority of Americans support higher taxes on the wealthy. The design of those taxes are what's being debated. The proposed wealth tax is more radical than previous types of taxes. And, as proposed, I can't support it even thought I support appropriate taxation (higher than current) on wealthy people. What, specifically, do you oppose? Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 1 minute ago, knapplc said: What, specifically, do you oppose? The tax is based on net worth not income...etc.. I personally don't believe that is appropriate and could cause some unintended consequences. A "Wealth tax" is a great sound bite that really needs to be studied before it's put in place. 1 Link to comment
Ratt Mhule Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 57 minutes ago, ActualCornHusker said: Good question. Here would be a list of horrendous policy proposals that the left is riding on currently: - federal jobs guarantee - green new deal -$15 minimum wage -Forgiving student debt -Wealth tax -"free" college That's a few of the worst ideas. Not sure about the federal jobs guarantee. Not enough information on that yet, but I guess I don't see the problem with getting people to work instead of leach off society, which Im sure you complain about also. Green New Deal is a resolution, not a bill. It is a road map to bills that will create 20 million new jobs and save the planet for your kids and grandkids. Its like the old saying goes, you need to spend money to make money. This pays for itself with how many jobs this creates and helps the economy. Plus we can lead the world in green energy, which is a boatload of money we can make. Like Knapp said, this has been stagnant for decades and prices keep going up. it will help economy when people have more money to spend. And create more jobs. Im sure you will complain and blame millenials when we have our next recession for not spending enough money. But also complain that they cant buy houses because they don't save enough. We have more debt right now as a society than we had in 2008 when the recession hit. Dare I say, the next one that hits may be a depression. Forgiving student debt helps everyone. It creates jobs, helps the economy, helps YOUR retirement fund. Because unlike the rich, when the middle class gets tax breaks and money to spend, guess what, they SPEND IT. I pay a higher percentage of my income on taxes than Jeff Bezos. Ill just leave it at that. College used to be "free". Or extremely cheap. I hope you are at an age where you got to take advantage of that. 1 Link to comment
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