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The 2020 Presidential Election - Convention & General Election


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5 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

I'm assuming you're snarking at the argument because you know it's correct.

 

But if you could kindly point me towards the Sanders-style progressives that won in these states and districts in 2018, I'd love to see them.

 

I'll wait.

 

Also those issues are all part of other candidates agendas as well...


Did they run in those “purple” districts with adequate funding at their disposal?  Hard to win an election when youre up against the machine and cant get your message to the voters. 
 

Were about to see what a progressive candidate with unlimited money at their disposal in a purple district can do in CA25. 
 

No, its not their agenda. Public option does not do anything about prices as it keeps insurance companies in charge  Democrats run the house, yet their prescription drug prices bill only allowed 25 drugs to be negotiated for the next 10 years. WOW! How bold and progressive! 25 whole drugs! Give me a break. They work for the drug companies and insurance companies. 

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8 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

I'm assuming you're snarking at the argument because you know it's correct.

 

But if you could kindly point me towards the Sanders-style progressives that won in these states and districts in 2018, I'd love to see them.

 

I'll wait.

 

Also those issues are all part of other candidates agendas as well...

I still don't know if the 

 

"I'll wait" bit is the best or worst bit when it comes to posting.  

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12 hours ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

This is exactly the case I tried to make yesterday.

 

Can Sanders win the election? Yes. Absolutely, unequivocally. Anyone of them can win. He's got a strong shot through the Rust Belt.

 

Will he help elect a Congress that will enact his agenda? Absolutely not. He's going to be a big liability in a lot of purple districts and Senate races.

 

 

Wouldn't it be nice if people could run and be elected on their own merits and not be victims of the assumption that they will vote along party lines no matter what?

 

First, I guess, politicians would have to grow a spine and stand up to their parties once in a while...

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Where is Rodney King when we need him?  The Dems need to play nice or they will blow this thing

 

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/483054-carville-fires-back-at-sanders-for-hack-slam-at-least-im-not-a-communist

 

 

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James Carville fired back at Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) for calling him "a political hack," calling the self-described democratic socialist "a communist."
 
The back and forth follows a week in which Carville has repeatedly sounded the alarm about a potential Sanders match-up against President Trump in November, calling the scenario "the end of days" for the Democratic Party while referring to Sanders supporters as "a cult."
 
Sanders returned fire on Wednesday night during an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper, arguing that "political hack" Carville represents the establishment his campaign is running against.
 
"James, in all due respect, is a political hack," Sanders said. "We are taking on Trump, the Republican establishment, Carville and the Democratic establishment. But at the end of the day, the grassroots movement that we are putting together — of young people, of working people, of people of color — want real change."
 
Carville, who worked as a campaign strategist for former President Clinton, escalated the feud Thursday on Snapchat with former CNN reporter Peter Hamby.

"Last night on CNN, Bernie Sanders called me a political hack,” Carville said. “That’s exactly who the f--- I am! I am a political hack! I am not an ideologue. I am not a purist. He thinks it’s a pejorative. I kind of like it! At least I’m not a communist.”

 

 

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4 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but if Bloomberg wins the Dem nomination, I'm not voting for him in the general election.

 

To be clear, I don't think he'll win the Dem nomination, I'm just talking possibilities.

Only unpopular if you would vote for Trump instead of writing someone in or not voting at all. 

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Just now, RedDenver said:

Yeah, that's not how any of this works.

Let me ask in a simple way. Would you rather have four more years of Trump or Bloomberg as President.  Per your post, those are the options.  A third party candidate is not winning this thing, just like it has been forever...

 

Just my opinion: 3rd party in this situation is a "cop out".

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5 minutes ago, Decoy73 said:

Only unpopular if you would vote for Trump instead of writing someone in or not voting at all. 

I disagree.  The next President with either be Trump or the Dem nominee.  I'd bet everything I own on that.

 

A "write in" or "3rd party" vote is to say that a person is okay "enough" with Trump for another 4 years that they didn't take this election seriously.  I won't fault a person for it, but I will roll my eyes when they complain about how much of a douchebag Trump is and how he shouldn't even be in office.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, funhusker said:

Let me ask in a simple way. Would you rather have four more years of Trump or Bloomberg as President.  Per your post, those are the options.  A third party candidate is not winning this thing, just like it has been forever...

 

Just my opinion: 3rd party in this situation is a "cop out".

I'm honestly not sure which would be worse. Trump is an existential threat to our democracy. Bloomberg will have bought the Presidency which might be an even bigger threat to our democracy.

 

EDIT: I never said anything about voting 3rd party.

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6 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

I'm honestly not sure which would be worse. Trump is an existential threat to our democracy. Bloomberg will have bought the Presidency which might be an even bigger threat to our democracy.

 

EDIT: I never said anything about voting 3rd party.

My thoughts: campaign funding laws can be defeated with laws enacted by congress.  Abhorrent cultural ideals can only be defeated if clearly rebuked by the population.  Both will still be true if Trump is re-elected.  Only one if Bloomberg, and that can still be dealt with by a responsible Congress (fingers crossed).

 

edit: the 3rd party thing was my addition.  I assumed we'd agree that it will either be Trump or his dem opponent that wins this thing.

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3 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

I'm honestly not sure which would be worse. Trump is an existential threat to our democracy. Bloomberg will have bought the Presidency which might be an even bigger threat to our democracy.

 

EDIT: I never said anything about voting 3rd party.

Money buys politics. That’s nothing new. Bloomberg is buying “no more Trump” and I’m perfectly okay with that. 

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