The 2020 Presidential Election - Convention & General Election

[Landlord]

1 hour ago, Frott Scost said:

The fact that the dude, who does not normally participate in this forum, comes on here and says Biden has dementia should tell you something. Hes not a Bernie supporter or a Trump supported as far as I can tell so he has no skin in the game. This is how normal people think. They dont need a diagnosis, it is all about appearance. Biden appears not well to the average person. 

 

Yep. Every time I watch him it looks like I'm watching the older Mahershala Ali from True Detective season 3. It's not just his incohernt verbal stumbling, something in his eyes looks off too.

 

 

 

 

52 minutes ago, knapplc said:

Trump's whole goal was to drive wedges into the Democrats. He'd be driving a different wedge depending on who the last candidate standing was, but whether that was Warren or Mayor Pete or Klobuchar or Bernie or Biden, he'd have tweeted something like this today.

 

I agree with you generally, but Trump runs on an anti-establishment populist narrative. What would the wedge have been if Bernie, who is also anti-establishment and populist, won? 

 

Yes he would find something no matter the outcome. But that doesn't discount that this particular outcome plays right into Trump's hand. 

 

I would be so thrilled to be wrong and eat crow but I can't currently really see Biden winning this.

[FrantzHardySwag]

13 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

Buttigieg and Harris are pretty centrist themselves. 

Harris senate voting record scores a higher progressive score than Bernie.

[RedDenver]

1 minute ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

Harris senate voting record scores a higher progressive score than Bernie.

By whom?

[FrantzHardySwag]

2 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

By whom?

https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/report-cards/2018/senate/ideology

[knapplc]

Well, there's nobody else left for Obama to endorse so...

 

 

 

 

UNLESS...

 

Spoiler

 

Obama endorses Trump in a stunning plot twist!!!!

 

 

 

[Ratt Mhule]

1 hour ago, knapplc said:

 

I think that would be a huge mistake. Maybe they do - Biden's been a centrist his whole life - but they really need Bernie & Pete & Kamala et al to show a united front.

 

Maybe Bernie would be better served just splitting off from the Democratic party (after this is done) and forming a new, viable, third party.  He clearly has an appeal to a large swath of America. 

God please let this happen. Our side needs to be done with this corrupt POS party for good after 2020. The dems will never win again if this happens and Im here for the meltdown of the corporate wing of the party. 

[Danny Bateman]

12 minutes ago, BlitzFirst said:

 

 

Multiple youth political action groups involved in the penning of this letter.

 

NBC news article about the letter:  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/progressive-youth-groups-issue-list-demands-joe-biden-n1179401

 

 

I like that. Basically saying put up or shut up. They offered to spend up to $100M increasing youth turnout in the fall as well.

 

I have no problem with this. Biden's going to need all the allies he can get. Big tent.

[funhusker]

17 minutes ago, Frott Scost said:

God please let this happen. Our side needs to be done with this corrupt POS party for good after 2020. The dems will never win again if this happens and Im here for the meltdown of the corporate wing of the party. 

Or, the Dems stay center and become a home for many "republicans" like @BigRedBuster @TGHusker and others.

 

I can see your scenario, @Frott Scost.  But I can also see a scenario where the Dems become the party of "centrist" Americans and absorb a lot of disillusioned GOP'ers.  I'm okay with Bernie's policies.  But I also know that many people in the US won't vote for a "socialist" (I know that is an unfair description) and the Democratic party would in some senses be better off in the midwest if they didn't have to defend it.

[Ratt Mhule]

The rich are ecstatic today! Good for them they deserve it!

[Ratt Mhule]

7 minutes ago, funhusker said:

Or, the Dems stay center and become a home for many "republicans" like @BigRedBuster @TGHusker and others.

 

I can see your scenario, @Frott Scost.  But I can also see a scenario where the Dems become the party of "centrist" Americans and absorb a lot of disillusioned GOP'ers.  I'm okay with Bernie's policies.  But I also know that many people in the US won't vote for a "socialist" (I know that is an unfair description) and the Democratic party would in some senses be better off in the midwest if they didn't have to defend it.

If the 5% of never Trump republicans need a new party to go to, go for it. If I were in the dems leadership position Id care more about the 35% of your own party, not even including independents that you would lose if this were to happen but the dem leadership think more like Jennifer Rubin than anything and thats why there have been more republican led houses, senates and presidencies and now SC in my life than democratic

 

[Landlord]

Every single person I've seen on Facebook today under the age of 35 has expressed some form of dissatisfaction, frustration and disenfranchisement with Bernie dropping out, and not sure if they can bring themselves to vote for Biden. 

 

Normal, everyday, reasonable millenials - not crazed fringe folk. They won't be voting for Trump but a lot will be staying home. I think those of us who are older are underestimating just how jaded and exhausted the millenial generation is with establishment politics. 

[DevoHusker]

3 minutes ago, Landlord said:

Every single person I've seen on Facebook today under the age of 35 has expressed some form of dissatisfaction, frustration and disenfranchisement with Bernie dropping out, and not sure if they can bring themselves to vote for Biden. 

 

Normal, everyday, reasonable millenials - not crazed fringe folk. They won't be voting for Trump but a lot will be staying home. I think those of us who are older are underestimating just how jaded and exhausted the millenial generation is with establishment politics. 

 

Currently jaded and exhausted, but never really excited about voting...from census.gov

 

[FrantzHardySwag]

1 minute ago, Landlord said:

Every single person I've seen on Facebook today under the age of 35 has expressed some form of dissatisfaction, frustration and disenfranchisement with Bernie dropping out, and not sure if they can bring themselves to vote for Biden. 

 

Normal, everyday, reasonable millenials - not crazed fringe folk. They won't be voting for Trump but a lot will be staying home. I think those of us who are older are underestimating just how jaded and exhausted the millenial generation is with establishment politics. 

My 2 cents as a millennial. I like Bernie's policies, and I know many my age do. Clearly Biden aligns much more with Bernie, than Trump does. That's true for everything from a public health care option, to DACA, to gun reform, to abortion, to minimum wage, to free college, to teacher pay, to private prisons, to abortion. I care about all these things, and I care about my community. I'm not gonna burn it down to prove a point, Biden is decidedly better for me and my community so Im voting for him. People worse off than me can't afford another Trump presidency. 

[RedDenver]

1 hour ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/report-cards/2018/senate/ideology

The first link uses the dumbest circular logic I've seen:

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"The Progressive Position" by definition, is the position of the majority of the Progressives.

Basically, it means Bernie is less progressive because he voted against the Iraq War. Why? Because the majority of "progressives" voted for the war. It's a meaningless measure. I mean, you've got to question the metric when it has Tom Udall and Bernie Sanders as equally progressive.

 

The second link does something similar although the site acknowledges that it isn't really a left-right ideology score:

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Ideology Score
Our unique ideology analysis assigns a score to Members of Congress according to their legislative behavior by how similar the pattern of bills and resolutions they cosponsor are to other Members of Congress. The score can be interpreted as a conservative—liberal scale, although of course it only takes into account a small aspect of reality.

 

[commando]

11 minutes ago, Landlord said:

Every single person I've seen on Facebook today under the age of 35 has expressed some form of dissatisfaction, frustration and disenfranchisement with Bernie dropping out, and not sure if they can bring themselves to vote for Biden. 

 

Normal, everyday, reasonable millenials - not crazed fringe folk. They won't be voting for Trump but a lot will be staying home. I think those of us who are older are underestimating just how jaded and exhausted the millenial generation is with establishment politics. 

tell them to grow the eff up and vote for who closest represents what they want.   every election there are lots of people who started out supporting someone who ends up not getting the nomination.  you know what they do?  they go out and chose their next best option after their first choice falls out. sitting at home and pouting really does them no good.