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8 minutes ago, Frott Scost said:


They are politicians. It doesnt matter what “party” they are in, they have the same goal, make their donors a lot of money. Just watch, if Sanders is the nominee, dem politicians will vote Trump. 100%. Because them and their donors are still making money with him in office. Its sad but its American politics for ya. 

You just made about 15 heads explode...thank you...this is 100% true.

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14 minutes ago, teachercd said:

You just made about 15 heads explode...thank you...this is 100% true.

who is our savior? 

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22 minutes ago, commando said:

link to those polls saying 100% of the dems will vote for trump if bernie is the nominee please.


I didnt say all. Some will. Joe Manchin has pretty much said as much. Clinton said she doesnt know if she would vote for Sanders. 

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2 minutes ago, Frott Scost said:


I didnt say all. Some will. Joe Manchin has pretty much said as much. Clinton said she doesnt know if she would vote for Sanders. 

i was a republican (newly registered independent now)  who hates what trump has done to the party...and really don't like sanders but will vote for him over trump 7 days a week.   i believe most dems will.  my preference is biden as i think he is as interesting as dry toast and his presidency would allow this constant political warfare to settle down a lot.  but....anyone is better then trump so pick your candidate and i will vote for them.   trump needs to go away for the good of the country.

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On 2/9/2020 at 8:24 AM, Danny Bateman said:

Hypothetical:

 

Raise your hand if you'd be fine with either Sanders OR Buttigieg winning the nomination.

 

I'll start.

 

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On 2/9/2020 at 1:08 PM, Moiraine said:

Anyone but Biden.


Yeah, I don’t care what the polling vs Trump says. No way Biden beats him imo. He is just too far gone and out of it to generate the required opposition and excitement. I’m also a little concerned that Sanders will be perceived as too radical/socialist to appeal to enough in the general election. Heck I’m not even sure I could cast that vote and I hate Trump. Honestly Buttegeig may be the only one that would get me to actually vote. And that’s sort of sad because I think he does a lot of just saying what people want to hear rather than actually believing that’s what needs to be done. The pitiful thing is that as bad as Trump is, the dems are offering up a piss poor lineup to try to get him out. It’s like they learned nothing from Hillary vs Trump. IMO, the only thing in the dems favor is that Trump is as bad as he is...and I’m not convinced that’s going to be enough. Maybe it will start to clear up once Warren and Biden are out of the way and they can dial it into the broader general election effort.

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I just don't get how Sanders is so radical. Our defense budget is over 600 billion per year. Student loan debt increased by 80 billion per year from 2003 to 2018. Reducing some of that is no more radical than paying 600 billion per year on defense, and I would argue it's less so.

 

I don't know if I think all of it should be forgiven, but I see no reason why we can't pick some professions college is free for. Let's start with teaching degrees and nursing/medical degrees and criminal justice degrees and go from there. That isn't anymore radical than spending 4x more than China on our military.

 

Considering universal health care to be a radical concept is just silly so I won't get into that.

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This time of decade I miss New Hampshire.  Of course we always felt we had to correct Iowa, and we had an Osborne-like winning streak in the late 20th Century for picking Presidents.

 

This time NH basically ratified the way Iowa 'voted.'  Is this unprecedented?

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7 hours ago, Moiraine said:

I just don't get how Sanders is so radical. Our defense budget is over 600 billion per year. Student loan debt increased by 80 billion per year from 2003 to 2018. Reducing some of that is no more radical than paying 600 billion per year on defense, and I would argue it's less so.

 

I don't know if I think all of it should be forgiven, but I see no reason why we can't pick some professions college is free for. Let's start with teaching degrees and nursing/medical degrees and criminal justice degrees and go from there. That isn't anymore radical than spending 4x more than China on our military.

 

Considering universal health care to be a radical concept is just silly so I won't get into that.

Sanders is considered radical because this country is a$$ backwards in so many respects, and his radical label largely comes from those who profit from keeping the country a$$ backwards. His entire platform essentially boils down to ensuring a reasonable quality of life for everyone. If getting there seems radical it's because of just how far gone we are in this plutocracy.

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11 hours ago, commando said:

i thought the democratic party was suppose to be sabotaging the sanders campaign

 

Not to mention, they are all talking about how he didn't win as big this time...since he won with 66% last time.  So obviously, he's a bad candidate.

 

Also, if you add up Kloub, Butt, and Biden...they equal far and away above Sanders...so that means his democratic socialism isn't what people want.

 

 

And yes, these were all things that mainstream media was trying to get people to believe...live...on TV....as Bernie was winning.

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11 hours ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

Not asking anybody to buy anything nor am I generalizing or peddling confirmation bias. I'm merely sharing my experiences.

 

Obviously your mileage may vary.

 

I'd ask you to attend a Bernie rally and come back with your findings.

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I used to be "against" Bernie because I thought he was trying to do too much in a short amount of time.  

 

I've given up on "centrist" candidates, if we are going to let the "radicals" decide policy, I'm going with people who would be good for people...

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This is what I meant when I said Sanders supporters are most similar to Trump supporters. A lot of then seem to detest anyone else on the left who is not in lockstep with them.

 

A bit more respect for others who are supposed to be on your side would be nice.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said:

This is what I meant when I said Sanders supporters are most similar to Trump supporters. A lot of then seem to detest anyone else on the left who is not in lockstep with them.

 

A bit more respect for others who are supposed to be on your side would be nice.

 

 

i don't think bernie is like trump....but he does have a fairly large group of supporters who remind me of trump bots.   

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