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3 minutes ago, deedsker said:

Somebody must have just discovered huskerboard has a P&R section.

Worse yet, they discovered what it's like to have someone challenge their beliefs.

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3 minutes ago, mrandyk said:

Worse yet, they discovered what it's like to have someone challenge their beliefs.

Beliefs? They are straight facts and everyone else is fake news!

 

'Merica!

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36 minutes ago, NebraskaShellback said:

Bye everyone lol

 

You're a military veteran and a patriot. And now you're running away like a coward. 

 

Must be a proud moment for you. 

 

(p.s. if you'd bothered to read the P&R forum, you'd know this isn't a Hillary crowd. Need to up your game if you decide to come back. Betting you won't) 

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15 hours ago, NebraskaShellback said:

You wanted to believe them right. Keep voting for Hillary

Well no one will get that chance.  Hilary isn't running.  So using Nixon's famous 'last words' you won't have Hillary to 'kick around anymore'. 

 

http://westchester.news12.com/story/40067049/im-not-running-hillary-clinton-rules-out-2020-bid-for-first-time-on-camera-in-exclusive-interview-with-news-12

 

Meanwhile,  there remains some bad feelings between the Hillary and Bernie camps.  Don't expect Hillary to

endorse Bernie during the primaries. 

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/05/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-2020-1203218

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6 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

Well no one will get that chance.  Hilary isn't running.  So using Nixon's famous 'last words' you won't have Hillary to 'kick around anymore'. 

 

http://westchester.news12.com/story/40067049/im-not-running-hillary-clinton-rules-out-2020-bid-for-first-time-on-camera-in-exclusive-interview-with-news-12

 

Meanwhile,  there remains some bad feelings between the Hillary and Bernie camps.  Don't expect Hillary to

endorse Bernie during the primaries. 

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/05/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-2020-1203218

 

 

It really is amazing how obsessed a certain portion of the population is about someone who isn't in public office or running for one.  It borders on a mental disorder.

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1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

 

It really is amazing how obsessed a certain portion of the population is about someone who isn't in public office or running for one.  It borders on a mental disorder.

See my post in the House committee investigation threat.  It is a cultish issue also.

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It is getting so crowded on the Dem side, candidates are bumping into each other at events

 

https://news.yahoo.com/democratic-candidates-literally-bumping-trail-031009998.html

 

 

On the Rep side we have this positive note in bold:

 

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On the Republican side, former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld, who is mounting a primary challenge to President Trump, and former Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who is considering a similar move, are also coming to Austin.

In case you lost track of all those names and titles, that’s nearly a dozen confirmed and potential presidential candidates sharing billing at the same event. Many of them will be making back-to-back appearances on the same stage at Austin’s Moody Theater.

 

more on Kasich

https://news.yahoo.com/kasichs-choice-fight-party-leave-behind-100031067.html

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1 hour ago, TGHusker said:

It is getting so crowded on the Dem side, candidates are bumping into each other at events

 

https://news.yahoo.com/democratic-candidates-literally-bumping-trail-031009998.html

 

 

On the Rep side we have this positive note in bold:

 

more on Kasich

https://news.yahoo.com/kasichs-choice-fight-party-leave-behind-100031067.html

I hope Kasich goes as an Independent.   I would love to see Trump and (insert polarizing Dem here) yelling at each other while Kasich rolls his eyes, looks at the camera, and calmly says "We're better than this."

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2 hours ago, funhusker said:

I hope Kasich goes as an Independent.   I would love to see Trump and (insert polarizing Dem here) yelling at each other while Kasich rolls his eyes, looks at the camera, and calmly says "We're better than this."

Kasich and Howard Schultz should run on the ticket together as independents.

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45 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

Kasich and Howard Schultz should run on the ticket together as independents.

That is a thought:o

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3 hours ago, funhusker said:

I hope Kasich goes as an Independent.   I would love to see Trump and (insert polarizing Dem here) yelling at each other while Kasich rolls his eyes, looks at the camera, and calmly says "We're better than this."

I agree.  I think we will have a war of words between the 2 party banner carriers.  Now Booker says he isn't going to be negative - we'll see if he can hold that line during the primaries and then see, if nominated, if he can hold it back against Trump. 

 

But Kasich would be a dramatic contrast to our current president for sure.  He could be the next Cool Cal  - Coolidge.  - 100 years later in fact.  Funny - he happened to replace one of the worse scandal filed admins in our history --  Harding's admin.  Time for history to repeat itself.  History has a funny way of cycling.  I guess we don't always learn and we elect dufus after dufus 100 years apart. 

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I'm pretty fired up, Andrew Yang, just got enough unique donors to qualify to be in the debates.   I'm really looking forward to getting his message and views out to a much larger audience.  I love his ideas on Healthcare, UBI, his approach to building the middle class.  I think he will be a dynamic candidate once more hear his policies.

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The field just got bigger yet again.

 

Now all we need is Diamond Joe to announce (worst kept secret in politics, IMO) and pretty much everyone and their mother will be seeking a chance against Trump next year.

 

 

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The Dem field is getting more croweded than 2016 GOP field.     Trump ending up slithering his way through the primary.  He watched like minded candidates split the vote - leaving himself to stand apart from all of the look a like candidates.  Who will be the Trump (not trump like but the surprise candidate who will allow the others to devour each others support) in the Dem primary?   Who can set themselves up as the change candidate because he/she is not a cookie cutter image of the others.   Who is the dark horse. 

My guess, one of the governors or  Pete Buttigieg

 

 I think Pete will stand out if he can get his message out.   He is the guy wt practical experience along wt the governors.   I think several of the senators will flame out quickly as well as Uncle Joe.  Beto has a lot of excitement, lets see if it translates into substance. 

 

I'd be surprise if the Dems settle on Bernie but not surprised if they settle on a Bernie like candidate. 

 

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/2020-democrat-candidates-771735/

 

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7 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

The Dem field is getting more croweded than 2016 GOP field.     Trump ending up slithering his way through the primary.  He watched like minded candidates split the vote - leaving himself to stand apart from all of the look a like candidates.  Who will be the Trump (not trump like but the surprise candidate who will allow the others to devour each others support) in the Dem primary?   Who can set themselves up as the change candidate because he/she is not a cookie cutter image of the others.   Who is the dark horse. 

My guess, one of the governors or  Pete Buttigieg

 

 I think Pete will stand out if he can get his message out.   He is the guy wt practical experience along wt the governors.   I think several of the senators will flame out quickly as well as Uncle Joe.  Beto has a lot of excitement, lets see if it translates into substance. 

 

I'd be surprise if the Dems settle on Bernie but not surprised if they settle on a Bernie like candidate. 

 

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/2020-democrat-candidates-771735/

 

 

ANDREW YANG!!!

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3 hours ago, Moiraine said:

If I was betting I’d pick O’Rourke right now. I think Biden or Sanders would be 2nd. Harris 4th.

Why the confidence in O'Rourke? He ran a decent race against Cruz, but I don't see much policy substance to get behind.

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1 hour ago, sho said:

 

ANDREW YANG!!!

I don't know anything about his (and 3/4 of these Dems) why is he so great? in your humble opinion :D

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3 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

I don't know anything about his (and 3/4 of these Dems) why is he so great? in your humble opinion :D

 

I don't know anything about Andrew Yang either, am eager to hear more. But I'm thinking of maybe staying away from businessmen who do not have government/political experience during this election cycle. 

 

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I like Hickenlooper and Castro myself based on what I have heard from them over the years, but can't honestly look at the list of candidates and claim to know all that much about any of them (enough to discern one policy platform from another). I am excited for debate season to begin so we can whittle the field down.

 

It looks like there will be about a dozen debates, starting in June: https://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2020-democratic-debate-schedule/

 

 

 

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I agree about Beto.  I was all over supporting his senate campaign against Cruise, but I don't think he has a plan or a particular focus.  He's a great orator and we'll see if he focuses enough to move the people.

 

I LOVE PETE BUTTIGEIG.  Seriously sharp candidate, and I think if he can get to the debate stage he'll knock em' dead.  He's currently 85% of the way to 65k donations so I think he'll get it done.

 

And I too went and looked up Yang after you mentioned it Sho.  I had never heard of him at all.  Nothing resonated with me - how did you know about him so early and why do you support him?

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Just now, Ulty said:

I like Hickenlooper and Castro myself based on what I have heard from them over the years, but can't honestly look at the list of candidates and claim to know all that much about any of them (enough to discern one policy platform from another). I am excited for debate season to begin so we can whittle the field down.

 

It looks like there will be about a dozen debates, starting in June: https://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2020-democratic-debate-schedule/

Hickenlooper is a decent governor in a slightly left-leaning state. But he's another one of these "let's cooperate with the Republicans" guys that has apparently been asleep for the last decade of national politics. And I think his attempts to not have to take a stance will undo him, like the Morning Joe clip where he keeps dancing around and refusing to call himself a capitalist.

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2 minutes ago, NM11046 said:

I agree about Beto.  I was all over supporting his senate campaign against Cruise, but I don't think he has a plan or a particular focus.  He's a great orator and we'll see if he focuses enough to move the people.

 

I LOVE PETE BUTTIGEIG.  Seriously sharp candidate, and I think if he can get to the debate stage he'll knock em' dead.  He's currently 85% of the way to 65k donations so I think he'll get it done.

 

And I too went and looked up Yang after you mentioned it Sho.  I had never heard of him at all.  Nothing resonated with me - how did you know about him so early and why do you support him?

there are so many Dems in the race ---  you throw a 1000 first and last names into a hat - draw 2 -and good chance you come out with a candidate's name:P

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3 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

I don't know anything about his (and 3/4 of these Dems) why is he so great? in your humble opinion :D

 

I personally like his views on VAT, which would end corporations making billions in profits not paying any taxes (see Amazon) which would pay for UBI.   I think he has the right idea about his 'Freedom Dividend' aka UBI, especially with more and more jobs being transitioned to automation, every adult over the age of 18 gets a monthly 'paycheck' of 1,000.  A study by the Roosevelt Institute says this would grow the economy by over $2T and create over 4 million jobs annually.  His 'mindset of scarcity' idea and changing it to 'mindset of abundance' that this would create entrepreneurs.   His views on healthcare and the ways to change it.   He believes in a single payer for all, but not by eliminating private healthcare companies but having a better and more inclusive public option (ie medicare).   Also his view on changing GDP calculations to include more 'human-centric' calculations which would help build people as a resource instead of minimizing them.

 

Listen/Watch to his Joe Rogan podcast, listen to him on a recent podcast episode of 'Top Hat' (episode 431 if you listen to that his interview is the last half of the show')

 

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/abe-lincolns-top-hat/e/59117526?autoplay=true

 

 

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28 minutes ago, NM11046 said:

I agree about Beto.  I was all over supporting his senate campaign against Cruise, but I don't think he has a plan or a particular focus.  He's a great orator and we'll see if he focuses enough to move the people.

 

I LOVE PETE BUTTIGEIG.  Seriously sharp candidate, and I think if he can get to the debate stage he'll knock em' dead.  He's currently 85% of the way to 65k donations so I think he'll get it done.

 

And I too went and looked up Yang after you mentioned it Sho.  I had never heard of him at all.  Nothing resonated with me - how did you know about him so early and why do you support him?

 

I am on a different message board, for a pro team I follow, and was looking at a their thread about politics.  A person raved about him and posted the Joe Rogan pod, I watched, and started trying to find out more about his policies.   The more I've listened, read, the more I can I feel he's the best option out there.    The biggest for me was his talk about changing the GDP calculations and how that would help the working class.   His views on the UBI and how that can be paid for and all the benefits it can provide to both the community and the family.   I think given the chance to be in the debates, his message will resonate with working class, rural americans, urban americans and how these changes (if they can be implemented) would vastly improve the quality of life people have.

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1 hour ago, RedDenver said:

Why the confidence in O'Rourke? He ran a decent race against Cruz, but I don't see much policy substance to get behind.

 

 

In Texas.

 

I don’t know if policy substance matters. It’s basically like a pre season poll. I don’t feel confident about anyone right now. I just see an “it” factor with him.

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Its going to be Bidden or Sanders. The polls show those two out ahead by a long shot with Warren and Harris coming in third and fourth. 

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2 hours ago, Frott Scost said:

Its going to be Bidden or Sanders. The polls show those two out ahead by a long shot with Warren and Harris coming in third and fourth. 

 

 

We haven’t had any debates yet.

 

And I don’t think Warren will be in the top 5. 

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36 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

We haven’t had any debates yet.

 

And I don’t think Warren will be in the top 5. 

Biden will fade after the debates too. I think it'll be Sanders and Harris with Biden trailing by the time the primaries roll around.

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1 hour ago, RedDenver said:

Biden will fade after the debates too. I think it'll be Sanders and Harris with Biden trailing by the time the primaries roll around.

 

 

Biden's impressed me in debates before but that was years ago... and against terrible competition.

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Beto's website is just merchandise, donations, and volunteering. There's not even a page for policy. I hope he doesn't run as one of these candidates that tries not to take a stand ala Hickenlooper.

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1 hour ago, RedDenver said:

Beto's website is just merchandise, donations, and volunteering. There's not even a page for policy. I hope he doesn't run as one of these candidates that tries not to take a stand ala Hickenlooper.

I think Beto should have waited a few years, but I guess you have to ride the momentum. I don’t think he will be able to hang with Sanders as some others have said, but it will be interesting to watch it all play out. Seems about as honest as one can be for a politician. 

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There was a lot of love and excitement for Beto when it looked like he might have a chance beat Cruz. 

 

But the blowback I've been seeing the last two days is pretty large and negative. On a national stage he's a lightweight and his voting record is full of sell-outs to the usual suspects.

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On 3/7/2019 at 10:36 AM, TGHusker said:

It is getting so crowded on the Dem side, candidates are bumping into each other at events

 

https://news.yahoo.com/democratic-candidates-literally-bumping-trail-031009998.html

 

 

On the Rep side we have this positive note in bold:

 

more on Kasich

https://news.yahoo.com/kasichs-choice-fight-party-leave-behind-100031067.html

 

On 3/7/2019 at 11:46 AM, funhusker said:

I hope Kasich goes as an Independent.   I would love to see Trump and (insert polarizing Dem here) yelling at each other while Kasich rolls his eyes, looks at the camera, and calmly says "We're better than this."

 

Don't forget that the Republican National Convention back in January decided to throw their weight behind Donald Trump. While the RNC technically has to recognize challengers if they win five or more states in the primaries, they're throwing all of their money and resources behind Drumpf already, regardless of outcome.

 

What I'm getting at is that any challenger is going to have to run without any RNC money or support, including the PAC and dark/illegal money that typically comes with the RNC's blessing. Unless Kasich and some of those other challengers can find a deep-pocketed benefactor or two, they're going to be done pretty quick, all things considered.  

 

Plus, let's not forget, most of your primary voters are your party zealots for either side of the aisle. Trump's fanbase pretty much consists of any GOP member that isn't a sane, rational actor, so it's going to be hard to get moderate Republicans out to vote for Kasich.

 

So yeah...I really don't think Kasich can do anything unless he runs as an independent. And that's going to burn any bridges between him and the modern-day RNC/GOP...

 

 

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3 hours ago, RedDenver said:

Beto's website is just merchandise, donations, and volunteering. There's not even a page for policy. I hope he doesn't run as one of these candidates that tries not to take a stand ala Hickenlooper.

 

Another reason (and I'm going to keep pushing him cause I really like him) that I support Yang.  His policies are right there, easy to find on his site.  You don't see that on Booker, Harris, Gabbard, Klobuchar, or Sanders.  I did see it on Warren.  If you believe in your policies and what and why you are running you put that in an easy to see place on your site.

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2 hours ago, VectorVictor said:

 

 

Don't forget that the Republican National Convention back in January decided to throw their weight behind Donald Trump. While the RNC technically has to recognize challengers if they win five or more states in the primaries, they're throwing all of their money and resources behind Drumpf already, regardless of outcome.

 

What I'm getting at is that any challenger is going to have to run without any RNC money or support, including the PAC and dark/illegal money that typically comes with the RNC's blessing. Unless Kasich and some of those other challengers can find a deep-pocketed benefactor or two, they're going to be done pretty quick, all things considered.  

 

Plus, let's not forget, most of your primary voters are your party zealots for either side of the aisle. Trump's fanbase pretty much consists of any GOP member that isn't a sane, rational actor, so it's going to be hard to get moderate Republicans out to vote for Kasich.

 

So yeah...I really don't think Kasich can do anything unless he runs as an independent. And that's going to burn any bridges between him and the modern-day RNC/GOP...

 

 

Good points VV.   Maybe it is time some high profile Repubs like Kasich burn their GOP card and run as independents or seek to grow the libertarian party and bring it into the mainstream.

 

Perhaps the best thing for the GOP would be a whole sale, country wide defeat so that the more moderate guys can gain control of what is left over of the party.  And by moderate, I'm talking conservative by 2000 standards. 

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21 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

Good points VV.   Maybe it is time some high profile Repubs like Kasich burn their GOP card and run as independents or seek to grow the libertarian party and bring it into the mainstream.

 

Perhaps the best thing for the GOP would be a whole sale, country wide defeat so that the more moderate guys can gain control of what is left over of the party.  And by moderate, I'm talking conservative by 2000 standards. 

 

Hell, you'll probably need to go back to the 1960s or earlier to find Republicans who were moderate in nature and temperament, valued intellectualism, and worked with others to find consensus ideas for our country. 

The seeds for the current-day extremism can be traced back to the Nixon days, manifested themselves somewhat during the Reagan years (in spite of Reagan being a moderate--see the Bork nomination), and went full bloom during the GB Bush years. Trump politics is merely reaping what was sewn all those years prior.

 

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10 minutes ago, VectorVictor said:

 

Hell, you'll probably need to go back to the 1960s or earlier to find Republicans who were moderate in nature and temperament, valued intellectualism, and worked with others to find consensus ideas for our country. 

The seeds for the current-day extremism can be traced back to the Nixon days, manifested themselves somewhat during the Reagan years (in spite of Reagan being a moderate--see the Bork nomination), and went full bloom during the GB Bush years. Trump politics is merely reaping what was sewn all those years prior.

 

 

 

 

The EPA and OSHA started under Nixon.

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43 minutes ago, VectorVictor said:

 

Hell, you'll probably need to go back to the 1960s or earlier to find Republicans who were moderate in nature and temperament, valued intellectualism, and worked with others to find consensus ideas for our country. 

The seeds for the current-day extremism can be traced back to the Nixon days, manifested themselves somewhat during the Reagan years (in spite of Reagan being a moderate--see the Bork nomination), and went full bloom during the GB Bush years. Trump politics is merely reaping what was sewn all those years prior.

 

However too many of those Republicans were only interested in being the loyal opposition.  When the party started to get a back bone and communicate some conservative principles that kind of upset the norm in DC.  I'm ok with that - we need 2 strong parties with strong ideas and positions.  However the most recent group seemed to have thrown all reason out the door and are very partisan.      I think the GOP overreacted to Obama's election and became more partisan. 

 I  DO understand the Dems reaction to Trump - note:  I didn't say overreaction. 

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39 minutes ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

 

The EPA and OSHA started under Nixon.

American Disabilities act under GHWB 

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4 hours ago, TGHusker said:

Good points VV.   Maybe it is time some high profile Repubs like Kasich burn their GOP card and run as independents or seek to grow the libertarian party and bring it into the mainstream.

 

Perhaps the best thing for the GOP would be a whole sale, country wide defeat so that the more moderate guys can gain control of what is left over of the party.  And by moderate, I'm talking conservative by 2000 standards. 

 

Absolutely. The only way to reform the party is for them to be absolutely crushed for the next several elections by the rest of us not in the cult.

 

Anything else reinforces that Trumpism was the correct way to go, and fealty to such an awful human being will be rewarded.

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Re: Beto and his lack of policy chops...

 

Have we considered that perhaps America is so impossibly disinterested in anything but the most basic policies that we need a charismatic figurehead who makes us feel good?

 

This seems to hold true for the last few presidents we've elected, to varying degrees. W was the guy you wanted to have a beer with. How much of Obama was policy difference and how much was the crippling unpopularity of W's economy and the GOP itself during the Great Recession? And Trump speaks for himself. I refuse to believe people actually voted on policies like a border wall or a Muslim ban rather than they voted against Hillary Clinton.

 

Viewed through that prism, his chances are as legitimate as anyone else, because he may be the most charismatic of the bunch. But he'd have to get through the primary, where policy choices DO matter.

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43 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said:

Re: Beto and his lack of policy chops...

 

Have we considered that perhaps America is so impossibly disinterested in anything but the most basic policies that we need a charismatic figurehead who makes us feel good?

 

This seems to hold true for the last few presidents we've elected, to varying degrees. W was the guy you wanted to have a beer with. How much of Obama was policy difference and how much was the crippling unpopularity of W's economy and the GOP itself during the Great Recession? And Trump speaks for himself. I refuse to believe people actually voted on policies like a border wall or a Muslim ban rather than they voted against Hillary Clinton.

 

Viewed through that prism, his chances are as legitimate as anyone else, because he may be the most charismatic of the bunch. But he'd have to get through the primary, where policy choices DO matter.

I don't think you're wrong.  And it is why my cynicism in the American public is growing at a rate that makes me sad and angry.....

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40 minutes ago, funhusker said:

I don't think you're wrong.  And it is why my cynicism in the American public is growing at a rate that makes me sad and angry..... 

 

You and me both, brother.

 

There are definitely people out there that care about policy and ideas first and foremost. I'm just worried that they are the definitive minority.

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1 hour ago, funhusker said:

I don't think you're wrong.  And it is why my cynicism in the American public is growing at a rate that makes me sad and angry.....

I would love to hear the "eyerollers" thoughts on how the American electorate is engaged and informed.  To be clear, my comment wasn't partisan.  American voters are swayed by simple s#!t.  Hell, the biggest news the last 36 hours is that Booker is dating a movie star.  My god...

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17 hours ago, Moiraine said:

The EPA and OSHA started under Nixon.

 

17 hours ago, TGHusker said:

American Disabilities act under GHWB 

Democrats controlled both halves of Congress for all of those measures.

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