*** Obi-Wan Kenobi Series Official Thread ***

[ZRod]

Episode 6. Holy s#!t!

[Crusader Husker]

They did a nice job wrapping it up.

[suh_fan93]

I'm 2 episodes in finally and I think it's great.  I also think Reva who seems to have gotten some flack in here has been great in her role.  Solid actually.  This show is much much better than the Mandalorian so far imo.  Ep's 1 and 2 have actually exceeded my expectations for me at least.  

[knapplc]

I walked into this with very little by way of expectations. I hadn't read anything with the Inquisitors in it, so those were new characters to me. I had no issues with them, or with Reva. 

 

Overall it was a pretty good show. The ending seemed to set up a second series with Obi-wan featuring Luke.

[JJ Husker]

21 hours ago, knapplc said:

I walked into this with very little by way of expectations. I hadn't read anything with the Inquisitors in it, so those were new characters to me. I had no issues with them, or with Reva. 

 

Overall it was a pretty good show. The ending seemed to set up a second series with Obi-wan featuring Luke.

I suppose they could do another one featuring Luke but I wouldn’t expect any interaction between him and Obi-wan, like there was with Leia. In ANH Luke only had a vague recollection of old Ben who lived out in the hills.

[suh_fan93]

Just finished the final episode.  As a whole I loved it.  Expectations exceeded.

[Moiraine]

On 7/7/2022 at 8:29 AM, JJ Husker said:

I suppose they could do another one featuring Luke but I wouldn’t expect any interaction between him and Obi-wan, like there was with Leia. In ANH Luke only had a vague recollection of old Ben who lived out in the hills.

 

 

Maybe he gets hit over the head with a big rock in the finale and forgets everything.

[Lorewarn]

I'm glad for y'all that really enjoyed it because I thought it was god awful overall, just barely scraping by on enough nostalgia porn to keep me in long enough to see it through. Around every corner was bad direction, even worse writing, and massive middle fingers to established lore and canon.

[ZRod]

19 hours ago, Lorewarn said:

massive middle fingers to established lore and canon.

How?

[Lorewarn]

1 hour ago, ZRod said:

How?

 

 

Spoiler

I'll give a few examples. Spoilers included

 

• Leia's message to Obi-Wan in A New Hope clearly contextually implies that they've never met. People can quibble on technicalities all they want to defend the show, but the way it was written and performed in the first film is obviously a message to someone she didn't go on an interplanetary adventure with 9 years prior. Not only that, but she's not really personally shaken up by Ben's death in ANH, which she would have been had the events of the series made sense in the timeline.

 

• Qui-Gon telling Obi-Wan that he'd always been there as a force ghost, but Obi-Wan wasn't ready to see him doesn't make any sense with the lore surrounding force ghosts. If it's based off of some sort of skill level or oneness with The Force, then it breaks Luke (who's entire connectedness to The Force thus far is deflecting two training blasts) almost immediately hearing Ben's voice to run, and seeing him on Hoth. Even if you square those, Yoda tells Obi-Wan in Ep III that Qui-Gon figured out the path to immortality, and that Yoda would train Obi-Wan to commune with him during his solitude on Tattooine. So...where's the reason that never happened? Maybe the argument is that Obi-Wan closed himself off from The Force. Okay sure. But did he do that immediately? He seemed down to follow Yoda's instructions and train after dropping off Luke, did he lose faith after a week, a month, a year?

 

• Vader saying 'last time we fought i was but the learner but now I am the master' is not definitively broken by the events of the series, but it obviously makes way more sense referring to Mustafar than it does trying to rationalize it after two more fights long after Anakin is a 'learner'

 

 

 

 

[Crusader Husker]

Once Disney took it over, you can throw all of it out the window.  They don't care.

[whateveritis1224]

2 hours ago, Lorewarn said:

 

 

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I'll give a few examples. Spoilers included

 

• Leia's message to Obi-Wan in A New Hope clearly contextually implies that they've never met. People can quibble on technicalities all they want to defend the show, but the way it was written and performed in the first film is obviously a message to someone she didn't go on an interplanetary adventure with 9 years prior. Not only that, but she's not really personally shaken up by Ben's death in ANH, which she would have been had the events of the series made sense in the timeline.

 

• Qui-Gon telling Obi-Wan that he'd always been there as a force ghost, but Obi-Wan wasn't ready to see him doesn't make any sense with the lore surrounding force ghosts. If it's based off of some sort of skill level or oneness with The Force, then it breaks Luke (who's entire connectedness to The Force thus far is deflecting two training blasts) almost immediately hearing Ben's voice to run, and seeing him on Hoth. Even if you square those, Yoda tells Obi-Wan in Ep III that Qui-Gon figured out the path to immortality, and that Yoda would train Obi-Wan to commune with him during his solitude on Tattooine. So...where's the reason that never happened? Maybe the argument is that Obi-Wan closed himself off from The Force. Okay sure. But did he do that immediately? He seemed down to follow Yoda's instructions and train after dropping off Luke, did he lose faith after a week, a month, a year?

 

• Vader saying 'last time we fought i was but the learner but now I am the master' is not definitively broken by the events of the series, but it obviously makes way more sense referring to Mustafar than it does trying to rationalize it after two more fights long after Anakin is a 'learner'

 

 

 

 

 

Spoiler

The force ghost stuff could just be the depression and guilt that Obi-Wan felt after the end of ROTS. Not wanting to open up to hear Qui-Gon and feel the pain and guilt of failing with Qui-Gon's last request to train the boy. Qui-Gon also not pushing for his voice to be heard because Obi-Wan isn't ready to hear how to become a force ghost.

 

The last we should have seen Vader should have been when he walks out of the hanger bay after defeating Reva. The trick that Obi-Wan pulled in episode 5 to help with the escape is a perfect ending to that plot. They didn't need the duel in episode 6, not that it took some of the shine away from Vader, but it felt the most fanservicy moment in a show that was made of fanservice. Ep 6 should have instead focused on Reva getting to Tatooine and assaulting the Lars homestead leading to a Luke chase that ended with Obi-Wan talking Reva down. The reason Obi-Wan was on Tatooine at all was to protect Luke, and he did a piss poor job of that. 

 

[Lorewarn]

13 minutes ago, whateveritis1224 said:

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The force ghost stuff could just be the depression and guilt that Obi-Wan felt after the end of ROTS. Not wanting to open up to hear Qui-Gon and feel the pain and guilt of failing with Qui-Gon's last request to train the boy. Qui-Gon also not pushing for his voice to be heard because Obi-Wan isn't ready to hear how to become a force ghost.

 

The last we should have seen Vader should have been when he walks out of the hanger bay after defeating Reva. The trick that Obi-Wan pulled in episode 5 to help with the escape is a perfect ending to that plot. They didn't need the duel in episode 6, not that it took some of the shine away from Vader, but it felt the most fanservicy moment in a show that was made of fanservice. Ep 6 should have instead focused on Reva getting to Tatooine and assaulting the Lars homestead leading to a Luke chase that ended with Obi-Wan talking Reva down. The reason Obi-Wan was on Tatooine at all was to protect Luke, and he did a piss poor job of that. 

 

 

 

 

Spoiler

Don't even get me started on how Reva found out about Luke

 

Bail Organa, a veteran of the clone wars and holder of probably the biggest secret in the entire galaxy, doesn't know to not use specifics in a message? "Obi-Wan, did you get Leia? Anakin's daughter? Does the emperor know that she's Anakin's daughter? Do they know about his son Luke? The one on Tattoine with his family on Tattoine? Do you think they've found out? Are you okay Obi-Wan? Oh man if they find out about this..."

 

 

[whateveritis1224]

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Don't even get me started on how Reva found out about Luke

 

Bail Organa, a veteran of the clone wars and holder of probably the biggest secret in the entire galaxy, doesn't know to not use specifics in a message? "Obi-Wan, did you get Leia? Anakin's daughter? Does the emperor know that she's Anakin's daughter? Do they know about his son Luke? The one on Tattoine with his family on Tattoine? Do you think they've found out? Are you okay Obi-Wan? Oh man if they find out about this..."

 

 

Spoiler

Yeah that stretched the limits of my belief, but the story beat it lead to/could of lead to in my alternate take was a good end to Reva's storyline.

 

[ZRod]

Leia's message to Obi Wan in ANH still holds up, all though it's a little awkward. It starts off like a formal plea from a diplomat to a respected general for help. As if she's trying to hide that they new each other. The most famous final line now has a new meaning though. It's always shown her desperation, but now it's seen as a plea to someone who saved her once before against all odds. And her being ambivalent to his death has always been strange, but she got over her home planet and everyone she loved being blown to bits pretty quickly too.

 

As far as the famous line between learner and master. I think that has a fantastic new meaning behind it. We thought it related to Mustafar, then I thought maybe it was Obi Wan's trickery with the ships, but now it's a totality of all those things. Vader isn't able to control his emotion and it costs him again, and again. Obi Wan has mastered that technique, and still has greater command of the force despite his age.