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The financial implications of a failed football program

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I paid $9 for a beer and $20 to park yesterday. I have never paid such high prices in Lincoln.  

 

A failed  football program has enormous financial implications throughout the whole state and for years if this continues.

 

USA Today reported a few years back that UNL athletics had revenue of $101m and expenses of $98m; top numbers for the NCAA and one of the few programs that shows a profit. With more conference revenue and the new Adidas deal, the gross revenue today probably approaches $150 million.

 

The top AD staffers and coaches (all sports) probably take 15% of the gross. What the AD knows is that probably about 10-15% of that revenue is in immediate jeopardy if this continues. Although Riley is paid $2m plus, terminating him this season would be a bargain. 

 

Turner Gill is the solution. He is winning at Liberty. Liberty beat Baylor. Baylor is better than NIU. Turner's time at Kansas can't be held against him. Nick Saban couldn't win at Kansas.

 

Turmer, of course, has a direct connection to the Glory Days and Dr. Tom. If he can recruit and win at Liberty, then surely he can win at Nebraska. 

 

Paying Turner $3m would be appropriate if he can turn the program around.

 

If not Turner, then Joe Mogilia at Coastal Carolina. He could work for the bargain rate of $1 million. 

 

One comment to me by a fan yesterday was that he was afraid that the NIU loss looks like the new normal. That, my friends, is a serious danger. Why should I drive miles to Lincoln and sit in the cold when I can stay at my home on the Rez and watch them lose without all of that time and expense?

 

The saddest thing about yesterday is that it looks like the basketball team is better than the football team. How could we have sunk so low? 

 

Footnote: Per SCOTUS, Pender is on the Indian reservation although we thought otherwise for decades.

 

 

 

 

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First off, there is no way anyone from Pender has the name Thurston. Second, have you seen Baylor? Even we could beat Baylor. Maybe. I think. Possibly. Right?

Anyways, point is NIU is better than Baylor. But that really doesnt mean anything. Thing is neither Gill nor Moglia is the answer. Its time to either get a real proven veteran or a big time up and comer.

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I've been wondering why people go there for years now.  

I attend one game about every 10 years it seems, and all it does is remind me why I never go.  

Got playstation Vue this fall for football.  It's so awesome.  I can even watch the games on my phone if I'm out fishing. 

There's already so many reasons to skip the hassle and watch from home and having a pi$$ poor Nebraska team isn't going to convince anyone else to attend either.  

 

MR will probably finish the season out, but I have a feeling he'll be let go right afterwards.  Get a coach with a rep for winning, a name that I actually don't have to Google this time, and that will keep the butts in the seats.  

 

Winning = Revenue

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Good god, here we go again.

 

Turner Gill is NOT the answer, hiring him would be asinine. Neither is Mogila.

 

Posters like you who believe in thiose guys scare me, you truly do.

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Add the OWH to the list of businesses that would be hurt by continued football failure. Who would read the OWH if you had no interest in the Huskers? I certainly have no interest in what Erin Grace and that redhead from Red Cloud have to say. And I will remind you that the parent of the LJS was in bankruptcy not too long ago. 

 

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16 minutes ago, speedtoburn said:

Good god, here we go again.

 

Turner Gill is NOT the answer, hiring him would be asinine. Neither is Mogila.

 

Posters like you who believe in thiose guys scare me, you truly do.

 

Give me some good reasons why Turner is not the answer. He won at Buffalo and is winning at Liberty. Many fans love him. He was a winning player here. 

 

Mike Riley, Bo and Callahan were certainly not the answers.

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12 minutes ago, Thurston from Pender said:

 

Give me some good reasons why Turner is not the answer. He won at Buffalo and is winning at Liberty. Many fans love him. He was a winning player here. 

 

Mike Riley, Bo and Callahan were certainly not the answers.

 

Well the fact that his resume consists of Buffalo, Liberty and Kansas for one. Where are the other power 5 teams knocking down his door to come coach for them?

 

Secondly he has a worse winning percentage than Mike Riley had when he was hired. 

 

Third he has only won 9 games once in his career. Nothing more than 9 wins. 

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At this point, given a choice between Turner Gill and Scott Frost, I would choose Gill in a heart beat.   I loved watching both play but I believe Gill has a much nicer personality.   I am confident that Gill can coach and having been a Husker coach for a number of years, in addition to his playing time, he has closer ties to the program in my view.  Frost might surprise me but I just would prefer Gill.   But, I think if we want to really turn the program around, the hire has to be a big splash hire (almost sunami splash) and I don't see Frost anywhere near that type of hire.  Just my opinion.  He might be a good position coach I suppose.  Turner interviewed before and was rejected so not sure he would be all that interested and I suspect he really likes his current job.  Money is not always the primary consideration.

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24 minutes ago, speedtoburn said:

Good god, here we go again.

 

Turner Gill is NOT the answer, hiring him would be asinine. Neither is Mogila.

 

Posters like you who believe in thiose guys scare me, you truly do.

 

"Thiose" guys have proven they can win if the program and community supports them.

 

Kansas is a mulligan for Turner for a number of reasons, including (but not limited to) boosters who were opposed to his hire undermining him in recruiting and in the AD office. Why were they opposed? Partially because he's a DoNU alum, partially because he was a black man, and partially because he is in an interracial marriage. 

 

Turner has has done well elsewhere, and provided he got quality coordinators and position coaches, I wouldn't have a problem with him. TBH, Nebraska has an image problem being a red state trying to recruit minority players. Turner helps with this issue. 

 

Now, having said all that, Turner wouldn't be on my short list, but I sure AF wouldn't have a problem with his hire. As we have seen, there are plenty of less inspired, tepid choices that could be made. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

At this point, given a choice between Turner Gill and Scott Frost, I would choose Gill in a heart beat.   I loved watching both play but I believe Gill has a much nicer personality.   I am confident that Gill can coach and having been a Husker coach for a number of years, in addition to his playing time, he has closer ties to the program in my view.  Frost might surprise me but I just would prefer Gill.   But, I think if we want to really turn the program around, the hire has to be a big splash hire (almost sunami splash) and I don't see Frost anywhere near that type of hire.  Just my opinion.  He might be a good position coach I suppose.  Turner interviewed before and was rejected so not sure he would be all that interested and I suspect he really likes his current job.  Money is not always the primary consideration.

No, no no.  You don't chose a HC for NCAA Football by how 'nice' he is.  Not if you want to win you don't.  Turner failed at the only P5 coaching position he had (Kansas).  He's a great guy and I like him but he is not the solution.  Scott Frost, for all the questions about him would be a much better choice.  An even better choice would be Les Miles if he could be convinced to come here.

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6 minutes ago, neepster said:

No, no no.  You don't chose a HC for NCAA Football by how 'nice' he is.  Not if you want to win you don't.  Turner failed at the only P5 coaching position he had (Kansas).  He's a great guy and I like him but he is not the solution.  Scott Frost, for all the questions about him would be a much better choice.  An even better choice would be Les Miles if he could be convinced to come here.

Les Miles is not one of the choices stated so exclude him - it is Frost vs Gill only.  There are other coaches I would also prefer over either of them but that is not the discussion.

 

What, pray tell, does Frost present in your mind that suggests he would be better than Gill?   I would really like to know what so many see in Frost.   Seriously.

Miles would be on my short list and I would likely put him above both Gill and Frost but I would have to really learn alot more about his background and history and personality as well.  I think he is a fairly big 'splash' hire that we ought to consider too, 

 

And I don't want another 'a hole' for a coach.  Been there and done that and it doesn't work out.   We don't want a Paterno or Bo or Woody Hayes or other scandal waiting to happen.   This one needs to be right in all respects.     

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Another former Husker that would probably be dam good is Tom Rathman.  He has a long successful playing career with trremendous Nebraska ties and loads of NFL experience under great coaches, and coaching experience.   

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2 minutes ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

Les Miles is not one of the choices stated so exclude him - it is Frost vs Gill only.  There are other coaches I would also prefer over either of them but that is not the discussion.

 

What, pray tell, does Frost present in your mind that suggests he would be better than Gill?   I would really like to know what so many see in Frost.   Seriously.  

 

Turner Gill is 60–74 as a head coach.  That is even worse than MR at 0.45 win/loss record (MR in college is 0.54).  Frost is currently 7-7 at UCF but that team started off godawful and he is on a positive upward trend.  Also he was the OC for the Ducks when they were very good and if you include their wins from 2013-2015 (which is reasonable since he was a large part of those), then his win loss % is 0.73.   He is also younger and if he works out would potentially be a long term solution for the Huskers.... longer than TG anyway.

 

Add to that that TG was 5-24 at Kansas....

 

So, 0.73 vs. 0.45... I know which one I choose.

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KU was a basket case football program at the elite basketball school.  That is why you don't hire someone with NO H.C.experience.   He had enough resume that he should have been considered.  He only gets that consideration because of his long NU connections and inside knowledge and respect.  He also can run an offense that Husker fans would like.   The 'fun and gun' etc is just not going to popular although it would eventually grow on fans provided there were enough wins in the early years.  

 

I thought fans would be more patient with Riley and he'd get about 7 years or so to really turn things up several notches but if this season goes at it now appears (maybe only 1 or 2 wins), then he is done.   The next hire needs to be the last one for about 15 years.  It took Tom Osborne about 22 years to finally win a title after lots of 9 and 10 win seasons with tough losses in the bowls and to OU.  Our present conference slate is as tough an annual schedule as can be imagined and is tougher than any T.O. ever had to manage.  To win it all, you are going to need about 80 of the 85 scholarships going to players better than ANY we presently have.   That will take incredible recruiting and lots of fan patience while we reload with elite, tough talent.

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The magic that was Nebraska football is gone,  has been for a long time.  Bringing in old players is not the answer to the problem.  Nebraska is still a top level school that can attract great coaches but they need to fit in with the university and the state.  We need to get back to the basics of football and the fundamentals that win games.  Nebraska has no identity on a national level like we did in the glory years. We need a young, up and coming coach that will bring back some stability to the program and be around for an extended period of time.  The manner in which the administration got rid of Solich began the unstably and has affected the football program sense.  We need to hire a proven winner and support that coach for years.  Being back the magic that was once Nebraska football is going to take the right coach and support from the university and the whole state of Nebraska. 

 

 

 

 

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Throw out Turner Gill being an ex-Husker, he hasn't done anything spectacular to be worth 3 million. Turner Gill would be a disaster of a hire and we'll be back in the same boat 3 years from now

 

That sort of thinking is just as bad as Eichorst hiring Riley

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Doctor Tom had zero head coaching experience when he was hired. He only went on to become one of the greatest all time coaches in college football. 

 

Below is the Bobfather's record at Wyoming. Not exactly stellar. He got hired because Duffy Daugherty recommended him to the AD. 

 

Callahan had a great resume. NFL winner and he coached in the Super Bowl.

 

Way too many here expect a big name and a magic pill to fix things. Not happening. Cornhuskers need to get back to basics and tradition.

 

Wyoming 4–3–3 3–2–2 4th      
1958 Wyoming 8–3 6–1 1st Sun    
1959 Wyoming 9–1 7–0 1st     16
1960 Wyoming 8–2 6–1 T–1st      
1961 Wyoming 6–1–2 5–0–1 T–1st   17  
Wyoming: 35–10–5 27–4–3
 

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10 hours ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

I loved watching both play but I believe Gill has a much nicer personality.

 

Ladies and gentlemen, Shawn Eichorst has officially joined HuskerBoard.

 

And while KU football ain't the greatest job on Earth, as much as anything Turner failed there because the nice guy never really took control of his team. Frankly, we'd probably see that repeated here.

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10 hours ago, Thurston from Pender said:

I paid $9 for a beer and $20 to park yesterday. I have never paid such high prices in Lincoln.  

 

A failed  football program has enormous financial implications throughout the whole state and for years if this continues.

 

USA Today reported a few years back that UNL athletics had revenue of $101m and expenses of $98m; top numbers for the NCAA and one of the few programs that shows a profit. With more conference revenue and the new Adidas deal, the gross revenue today probably approaches $150 million.

 

The top AD staffers and coaches (all sports) probably take 15% of the gross. What the AD knows is that probably about 10-15% of that revenue is in immediate jeopardy if this continues. Although Riley is paid $2m plus, terminating him this season would be a bargain. 

 

Turner Gill is the solution. He is winning at Liberty. Liberty beat Baylor. Baylor is better than NIU. Turner's time at Kansas can't be held against him. Nick Saban couldn't win at Kansas.

 

Turmer, of course, has a direct connection to the Glory Days and Dr. Tom. If he can recruit and win at Liberty, then surely he can win at Nebraska. 

 

Paying Turner $3m would be appropriate if he can turn the program around.

 

If not Turner, then Joe Mogilia at Coastal Carolina. He could work for the bargain rate of $1 million. 

 

One comment to me by a fan yesterday was that he was afraid that the NIU loss looks like the new normal. That, my friends, is a serious danger. Why should I drive miles to Lincoln and sit in the cold when I can stay at my home on the Rez and watch them lose without all of that time and expense?

 

The saddest thing about yesterday is that it looks like the basketball team is better than the football team. How could we have sunk so low? 

 

Footnote: Per SCOTUS, Pender is on the Indian reservation although we thought otherwise for decades.

 

 

 

 

I could not knowledgeabably recommend any coach however your reasoning is flawed about your coaching recommendations. How come you point out how rich the athletic department is and then list Mogilia as a bargain? Do you think we should care about how much the next coach will cost? Personally, i feel we can also afford better than Gill

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