Orlando Sentinel with an Interesting article on Scott Frost and the Husker job

[gobiggergoredder]

This is worthless.

 

Its like writing a why would Dave Van Horn want to go to Arkansas in 2001?  Nonsense.

[Landlord]

10 hours ago, Fru said:

 

Why? I would imagine that one would need a little more experience than coaching a directional school for 18 months before they take over the winningest college football program of the last 50 years that has fired two coaches with winning records.

 

Yes there's a lot of upside to Scott. I would just prefer he'd be a bit more experienced. 

 

No offense taken. 

 

 

 

There are dozens and dozens of examples of first time head coaches, not to even include head coaches who were barely head coaches, who took over big time schools and did just fine. Bob Stoops. Mike Gundy. Jimbo Fisher. Dabo Swinney. Bill Snyder. Lincoln Riley. Clay Helton. Kirby Smart. Gary Patterson. David Shaw. The list goes on and on.

 

 

 

Every coaching hire is a gamble. Except for Urban Meyer and Nick Saban. You never know if anyone is going to work out. You gamble smart. Our program being as low as it is right now, and with Frost's potential upside, and with the seeming inevitability of him being picked up for a big job sometime soon ish, gambling on him is akin to going all-in with house money five minutes before the casino closes. You've got virtually nothing to lose and everything to gain. 

[Nobody]

18 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

I said in another thread earlier this week.  I'm not convinced that Frost is the answer to our problems.  People who key in on him and claim we NEED to get him, are ignoring a lot of other possibilities (for which I have no names to throw out because I don't follow such things).

 

My guess is though that either Nebraska is is dream job...or he has absolutely no desire to come back.  I really don't see it being anywhere in between.  If he doesn't want to come back...so be it and we need to have a much broader scope of coaches we look at.

 

nah the experiment is over. at this point we have no choice then to give frost a chance imo. i think its that simple. 

 

playing the game of landing up and coming guys and big splash hires is a long and very risky road.... you should know that because thats why we are at where we are at.

 

we need nothing more than an up and coming guy who is our own who we can put our faith into blindly because we know him. i think everyone is tired of the experiments. if we put stock into frost and it turns out a disaster.... i think everyone is completely ok with that at this point. at least then we know.

 you really wanna wave off scott and try to land a whale? what happens when it doesnt turn out? what if scott is winning at that point (he is now)? wouldnt that hurt way worse?

 

At this point, we shouldve hired frost 1 hire ago..... and you're still not comfortable with frost? what about when your next coach doesnt work out? u gonna say the same thing then? enough is enough. frost's turn.

[Nobody]

9 hours ago, Hayseed said:

Whether they look at Frost, Miles, Mullen, or whoever, the one thing I don't want to hear is 'We fired Riley and we're gonna start a search for a new coach."

Then, "Oh darn,  we couldn't get anyone we wanted."

 

this is why all signs point to frost. stars are aligning.

[olddominionhusker]

19 hours ago, TGHusker said:

As much as many of us would like to have Frost come for the 'emotional' side of it, I too, like BRB, Fru and Knapp, wish he was more seasoned as a HC. Therefore we have to bring on the best possible hire now, not what 'might' be the guy with the best potential.  As Knapp said - we don't know if he is at his ceiling now or if there is a lot of great potential still to be revealed.  With the last 3 hires, we failed to get the best possible coach - we settled for less. NU deserves more.  Time to hire the best available right now without being delusional - thinking we could get Sabin or even Stoops.  (sure I'd take them if they wanted to come - but I don't think there is any 'want' there)

You don't get much more seasoned then Riley and he is an unmitigated disaster. I get what you are saying and I'm certainly not Frost or bust, but I'm not going to worry about his HC experience. 

 

Problem for me is I can't think of any coaches that are can't miss guys that would actually come here. 

 

Just please not Les Miles is all I ask

[Fru]

5 hours ago, Landlord said:

 

 

 

There are dozens and dozens of examples of first time head coaches, not to even include head coaches who were barely head coaches, who took over big time schools and did just fine. Bob Stoops. Mike Gundy. Jimbo Fisher. Dabo Swinney. Bill Snyder. Lincoln Riley. Clay Helton. Kirby Smart. Gary Patterson. David Shaw. The list goes on and on.

 

 

 

Every coaching hire is a gamble. Except for Urban Meyer and Nick Saban. You never know if anyone is going to work out. You gamble smart. Our program being as low as it is right now, and with Frost's potential upside, and with the seeming inevitability of him being picked up for a big job sometime soon ish, gambling on him is akin to going all-in with house money five minutes before the casino closes. You've got virtually nothing to lose and everything to gain. 

 

Never said that it couldn't or hasn't been done. Just said I would prefer someone with more head coaching experience on their resume.

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2 minutes ago, Fru said:

Just said I would prefer someone with more head coaching experience on their resume.

 

Why?

[TGHusker]

31 minutes ago, olddominionhusker said:

You don't get much more seasoned then Riley and he is an unmitigated disaster. I get what you are saying and I'm certainly not Frost or bust, but I'm not going to worry about his HC experience. 

 

Problem for me is I can't think of any coaches that are can't miss guys that would actually come here. 

 

Just please not Les Miles is all I ask

You, have a point there.  Of course the writing was on the wall wt Riley - he had all of those years as a .500 coach - so we knew his record but the 'selling' point was  that with NU resources and ability to draw recruits to our facilities, MR would finally balloon to a .750 or better coach.  So when we talk about seasoned coach, we pay attention to see if it is fresh steak rub or stale salt that has spent to much time exposed to the elements.  Frost may be the former and MR the latter.

[Fru]

2 minutes ago, brophog said:

 

Why?

 

Being a head coach at the University of Nebraska will likely involve challenges you don't encounter 18 months into a head coaching job at a directional school. More experience would likely prepare one for those kinds of challenges. 

 

Say you're going in for open heart surgery. It's a gamble no matter what, so you want to gamble smart, like another poster pointed out. Do you  ee yourself going with the young guy who's 18 months out of school or do you go with someone with several years of experience? 

 

I'm not saying Scott is garbage or that someone can't make the jump to a HC gig with little or no head coaching experience. I would just prefer someone who is a little more seasoned. 

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1 minute ago, Fru said:

 

Being a head coach at the University of Nebraska will likely involve challenges you don't encounter 18 months into a head coaching job at a directional school. More experience would likely prepare one for those kinds of challenges. 

 

Say you're going in for open heart surgery. It's a gamble no matter what, so you want to gamble smart, like another poster pointed out. Do you  ee yourself going with the young guy who's 18 months out of school or do you go with someone with several years of experience? 

 

I'm not saying Scott is garbage or that someone can't make the jump to a HC gig with little or no head coaching experience. I would just prefer someone who is a little more seasoned. 

 

Experience is a strange thing, though. It's the only thing I know of that you can't get without already having it.

 

It's also why I posted that vid in another thread. How does a head coach handle such a unique event? I think that's very telling when trying to answer this question when you don't have a big resume to lend trust.

[WhatDoIKnow]

I think we can almost all agree that we would prefer if Frost had just a couple more years at UCF before we were looking for a coach again.  The timing would have been much better.

 

Doesn't look like that is going to happen.  Are we willing to pass on Frost knowing this might be the last chance we get?

 

I'm not 100% sold on Frost right now, but he might be worth the risk.  I don't think there is a coach available that would be a sure thing.

[olddominionhusker]

3 minutes ago, WhatDoIKnow said:

I think we can almost all agree that we would prefer if Frost had just a couple more years at UCF before we were looking for a coach again.  The timing would have been much better.

 

Doesn't look like that is going to happen.  Are we willing to pass on Frost knowing this might be the last chance we get?

 

I'm not 100% sold on Frost right now, but he might be worth the risk.  I don't think there is a coach available that would be a sure thing.

This is how I feel. Frost is a little bit of a gamble but he is pretty highly regarded for his preparation and knowledge of the game. I think he understands both sides of the ball well which is important. And honestly other than the pie in the sky talk of Sabanesque hires I don't really see anything better available

[BigRedBuster]

3 hours ago, Nobody said:

 

nah the experiment is over. at this point we have no choice then to give frost a chance imo. i think its that simple. 

 

playing the game of landing up and coming guys and big splash hires is a long and very risky road.... you should know that because thats why we are at where we are at.

 

we need nothing more than an up and coming guy who is our own who we can put our faith into blindly because we know him. i think everyone is tired of the experiments. if we put stock into frost and it turns out a disaster.... i think everyone is completely ok with that at this point. at least then we know.

 you really wanna wave off scott and try to land a whale? what happens when it doesnt turn out? what if scott is winning at that point (he is now)? wouldnt that hurt way worse?

 

At this point, we shouldve hired frost 1 hire ago..... and you're still not comfortable with frost? what about when your next coach doesnt work out? u gonna say the same thing then? enough is enough. frost's turn.

What experiment is over?
 

My comment was about the fact that it seems like some people claim the ONLY way we are going to get back to greatness is to bring back "Nebraska people" like Trev Alberts for AD and Frost for HC of football.  

 

I said that if that's the case, then that doesn't bode well for the long term future of the program.  Why?  Because what happens when those people aren't around to hire anymore?  Do people really think that Nebraska is such an odd place that someone from the outside can't come in and be successful here?  I don't buy it.

 

I never said that I thought Frost would be a total failure or a horrible hire.  I want whomever the new AD is to go out and hire the best damn football coach he can.  If that's Frost....GREAT.  

 

But, I am not for having blinders on and only going after him as the savior of Husker football.

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34 minutes ago, WhatDoIKnow said:

I'm not 100% sold on Frost right now, but he might be worth the risk.

 

Thats the thing for me, too. I don't mind gambling, because that's what coaching searches are. There is no rhyme or reason sometimes for the results we see, based on the information available at the time of hire. Bill Walsh is a wierd example of this. The guy is arguably the greatest NFL coach of all time, comes back to Stanford, where he had success before, has a great first season then the wheels fall off. Eventually he goes back to the 49ers to help draft a QB. This is the guy that drafted Montana, surely he has the resume for this. Drafts 2 QBs in the class of Brady. Now, you're saying "everyone missed on Brady". True, but no one else drafted Giovanni Carmazzi.

 

 

 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

My comment was about the fact that it seems like some people claim the ONLY way we are going to get back to greatness is to bring back "Nebraska people" like Trev Alberts for AD and Frost for HC of football.  

 

History doesn't correlate with this at all. Ties to a program get your name on the radar, they shouldn't be any more important than that. You want people that fit, but you're casting too small of a net if you think that means they must have come from the program.