Does MR need to reshuffle the coaching staff or keep it the same?

[Dansker]

15 hours ago, RedSavage said:

That last part is something I was complaining about on Saturday while at the game.  The players in the game look disengaged so often.  Riley stands there on the sidelines looking clueless most of the time, DL and Diaco are up in the boxes, so they're not on the sideline to rally the troops and just from watching, there doesn't seem to be hardly any, if any, players on the field trying to hype one another up. I really think this team severely lacks leadership.  Who tries to get the team going again when the going gets tough?  I honestly don't think I can think of one individual person that I would say has done that this season.  

 

Leadership starts at the top and there definitely needs to be some changes in the off season in that regard.  

 

Realistically, you want your players to play for one another and motivate each other but this is also why coaches are paid six figures or more. I look at my KC Chiefs and see their coordinators on the sidelines. The special teams coach fires up his unit every freaking game. And yeah, I agree, Nebraska severely lacks motivation from their coordinators.

 

I understand Langsdorf or Diaco can get a better view of the game upstairs. I'd prefer my coordinators be on the field and have other coaches in the box. I recall under Pelini, Watson and Beck would periodically come down from the press box. You just can't ignore the importance of having the leaders of your offense and defense on the field.

 

It's one of the reasons Osborne was so good. He had a tight personal relationship with his players and it resonated on the field. The same was also true for Charlie McBride.

[speedtoburn]

He needs to resign, that's what he needs to do.

 

That will improve things.

[Saunders]

17 hours ago, ColoradoHusk said:

I recommend you try to find Mike'l Severe's podcasts on Omaha.com from yesterday.  He has done the research or looked at research done.  Basically, a coach at at Power 5 school who doesn't have a breakout season or huge improvement in wins by YEAR 3, will NEVER have one at that school.  We are in year 3 of Riley.  He has had 1 losing season, 1 season that was basically the same as his predecessor, and another season that is headed to .500 or worse.  These are actual facts.  Riley isn't a new coach trying to find his way.  He's a 20-year veteran head coach who is so set in his ways, that he's easy to coach against and beat.

I've been banging this drum since last year. Some people like to ignore it, but it's an incontrovertible truth.

 

Do you know which part of the podcast it was?

[grandpasknee]

"Shuffle off to Buffalo" came to mind when I saw this thread.  Which is probably what the remaining OSU bunch ought to do.

[Hayseed]

Combine the second response and the last and it looks like the consensus is ‘shuffle on back to Oregon’ and this time hire an AD who will offer Frost.

[teachercd]

1 hour ago, Saunders said:

I've been banging this drum since last year. Some people like to ignore it, but it's an incontrovertible truth.

 

Do you know which part of the podcast it was?

I think Severe had it and I think it was from two days ago?  Sorry, I am not sure.

 

Also, (not directed at you) but so many fans wanted change because things would be better...now we are told how all this change is hard.  You know who made it hard?  Riley, because he is an average coach.  

 

 

[TGHusker]

18 hours ago, junior4949 said:

If the right coach is hired, losing a good recruiting class will work itself out.  If we keep a bad coach, a good recruiting class will be wasted. 

One of the simplest & straightforward but most profoundly true statements made in this whole discussion.  Good job JR.

[GSG]

18 hours ago, junior4949 said:

If the right coach is hired, losing a good recruiting class will work itself out.  If we keep a bad coach, a good recruiting class will be wasted. 

 

And by halftime this Saturday, I will be wasted

[junior4949]

15 hours ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

Can one of you Frost lovers please summarize in a few paragraphs, not short phrases, just exactly what you see in Frost that makes him so perfect?    I am very uneasy with Frost at this point.   Exactly how many conference titles has he been the head coach for ?   How many top 20 teams has he fielded?   How many major bowl wins or even appearances has Frost overseen?

 

He may be a hot middle aged commodity in the coaching ranks (he must be around 41 or so which is a good age IF he had been a HC for 6 years or so and or been an OC for a top 7 caliber program so we have some proven track record to go by.   Admittedly he's been a player for a couple of the best coaches of all time, but good grief, so have several hundred other fine players over the past 25 years.   

 

I would feel a lot better about hiring away a top ten coach with 12 years H.C. experience.that betting the entire future of the program on Scott Frost.   I believe strongly that this is OUR LAST H.C. hiring opportunity and it MUST be right.  The memories and the fervant support are fading fast.  Another 3 or 4 and done coaching fail is going to end the program for all practical purposes.

 

Most agree on here that as rough as this year's schedule and season is looking, next year's will a real gauntlet.   I'd almost rather see Riley have to suffer through it rather than bring in the hot, young newbie Frost and have him fall flat on his face in year one.  I know a lot of you may say you'll give him all the time he needs, but I am reading suggestions such as by year 3 he will have us winning the Big Ten.  That is just plain unrealistic and folly.   We'll lose most of the recruiting class we have at this point if we dump Riley.(  Coming off a dismal season, we may lose the cream in the class anyway.)  But if we don't hire a real blue chip recruiting magnet, we will not have much of a class of '18 and after next year's losing season, which seems quite likely when one installs all new offensive and defensive systems, we have several transfers, etc.  

 

Can somebody give me the highlights of Scott Frost's coaching accomplishments.   Please as I really would like to understand why everybody is so enamered of Frost.      

 

Since nobody really addressed this, I'll give it a shot.  Frost was recruited by and played for Bill Walsh.  I'm not sure if you're familiar with Bill Walsh, but he's a Hall of Fame coach who won three Super Bowls and also popularized the west coast offense.  After Walsh resigned from Stanford, Frost transferred to Nebraska where he played for TO.  After his collegiate career had come to an end, Frost was drafted by the New York Jets where the coach happened to be a guy named Bill Parcels.  I'm not sure if you're familiar with Bill Parcels, but he's a Hall of Fame coach who won two Super Bowls.  Along the way in his NFL career, Frost was also coached by maybe a couple of guys you've heard about:  Bill Belichick and Jon Gruden. 

 

Thus far into his career, Frost had played for a guy who popularized the west coast offense.  He'd also played for TO.  I'd say he had about as good of mentors as one could possibly have when it comes to offense.  However, this isn't where his experience stops.  He joined Chip Kelly's staff at Oregon where he was involved in running the spread option.  I'd say he's about as well versed in different offensive philosophies as one could possibly be. 

 

It should be noted that Frost hasn't always been simply an offensive coach.  He played defense in the NFL.  One of his first coaching jobs was as a linebacker coach at Northern Iowa.  Later, he was promoted to co-DC where his defense ranked in the top 10 in FCS.  He's about as well rounded of a coach as you're possibly going to find out there.  He played both offense and defense at Stanford.  He played offense at Nebraska.  He played defense in the NFL.  He's coached both sides of the ball.  He's been coached by some of the absolute best coaches in the business.  He's the son of a coach.  Plus, he's probably one of the smartest people involved in the coaching industry today. 

 

Frost is currently in his second year at UCF.  He took over a team that didn't win a single game the season before he got there.  In his first year, he had them bowl eligible.  In his second year, they are 4-0 and currently ranked in the top 25.  One can't help but wonder if Helfrich would still be employed at Oregon had Frost stayed on as OC.  In Frost's last year as Oregon's OC, Oregon averaged 43 points per game.  The following year without Frost, Oregon averaged 35. 

 

Frost is from small town Nebraska.  He grew up a Husker fan.  His dad played for the Huskers.  He won a NC as a Husker.  One of the biggest reasons Chip Kelly brought Frost onto his staff was to implement toughness especially amongst the WR group.  Frost has seen us win.  Frost made us winners as a player.  I can't think of many who are more knowledgeable in what it takes to win at Nebraska than Frost.  Everywhere he goes, the team he's coaching becomes a lot more physical.  This is essentially what's been missing here for quite some time.    

[MichiganDad3]

20 hours ago, zoogs said:

Guys always have goodwill in our eyes before they come in here and lose some games, which was always going to happen in the aftermath of the Bo era (probably). The proper standard is where you're going, so if you're looking at other metrics you're looking in the wrong place.

 

I think we had a decent, fundamentally solid group of coaches here. Projecting forward to a Frost staff, I really can't imagine how much more or less they can be expected to be. Are we going to get an OL coach that isn't getting intense heat if his line in 2019 isn't pipeline-level stout? If Nebraska drops a lot of close games? Coordinators that we won't question their ability to call a pee-wee game? We're fans and so we think that if you just fire enough guys and bring in new ones, we'll stop with that bulls#!t. But we won't. We can't help ourselves.

 

 

Neither MR or a single person on his staff other than Parella had good will from me. I was shocked that we hired an old mediocre coach, and even more shocked that he brought his band of sorry assistants with him. I had no hope for this staff from day 1.

[MichiganDad3]

19 hours ago, ColoradoHusk said:

I think Riley is selling the recruits on "hey, we need you to come in, play right away, and you can be the key to get us winning games, and you are going to play in a NFL system".

A NFL system like the one he had in San Diego when he won one game.

[In the Deed the Glory]

2 hours ago, junior4949 said:

 

Since nobody really addressed this, I'll give it a shot.  Frost was recruited by and played for Bill Walsh.  I'm not sure if you're familiar with Bill Walsh, but he's a Hall of Fame coach who won three Super Bowls and also popularized the west coast offense.  After Walsh resigned from Stanford, Frost transferred to Nebraska where he played for TO.  After his collegiate career had come to an end, Frost was drafted by the New York Jets where the coach happened to be a guy named Bill Parcels.  I'm not sure if you're familiar with Bill Parcels, but he's a Hall of Fame coach who won two Super Bowls.  Along the way in his NFL career, Frost was also coached by maybe a couple of guys you've heard about:  Bill Belichick and Jon Gruden. 

 

Thus far into his career, Frost had played for a guy who popularized the west coast offense.  He'd also played for TO.  I'd say he had about as good of mentors as one could possibly have when it comes to offense.  However, this isn't where his experience stops.  He joined Chip Kelly's staff at Oregon where he was involved in running the spread option.  I'd say he's about as well versed in different offensive philosophies as one could possibly be. 

 

It should be noted that Frost hasn't always been simply an offensive coach.  He played defense in the NFL.  One of his first coaching jobs was as a linebacker coach at Northern Iowa.  Later, he was promoted to co-DC where his defense ranked in the top 10 in FCS.  He's about as well rounded of a coach as you're possibly going to find out there.  He played both offense and defense at Stanford.  He played offense at Nebraska.  He played defense in the NFL.  He's coached both sides of the ball.  He's been coached by some of the absolute best coaches in the business.  He's the son of a coach.  Plus, he's probably one of the smartest people involved in the coaching industry today. 

 

Frost is currently in his second year at UCF.  He took over a team that didn't win a single game the season before he got there.  In his first year, he had them bowl eligible.  In his second year, they are 4-0 and currently ranked in the top 25.  One can't help but wonder if Helfrich would still be employed at Oregon had Frost stayed on as OC.  In Frost's last year as Oregon's OC, Oregon averaged 43 points per game.  The following year without Frost, Oregon averaged 35. 

 

Frost is from small town Nebraska.  He grew up a Husker fan.  His dad played for the Huskers.  He won a NC as a Husker.  One of the biggest reasons Chip Kelly brought Frost onto his staff was to implement toughness especially amongst the WR group.  Frost has seen us win.  Frost made us winners as a player.  I can't think of many who are more knowledgeable in what it takes to win at Nebraska than Frost.  Everywhere he goes, the team he's coaching becomes a lot more physical.  This is essentially what's been missing here for quite some time.    

That is a hell of a post.

[Nebhawk]

7 hours ago, junior4949 said:

 

Since nobody really addressed this, I'll give it a shot.  Frost was recruited by and played for Bill Walsh.  I'm not sure if you're familiar with Bill Walsh, but he's a Hall of Fame coach who won three Super Bowls and also popularized the west coast offense.  After Walsh resigned from Stanford, Frost transferred to Nebraska where he played for TO.  After his collegiate career had come to an end, Frost was drafted by the New York Jets where the coach happened to be a guy named Bill Parcels.  I'm not sure if you're familiar with Bill Parcels, but he's a Hall of Fame coach who won two Super Bowls.  Along the way in his NFL career, Frost was also coached by maybe a couple of guys you've heard about:  Bill Belichick and Jon Gruden. 

 

Thus far into his career, Frost had played for a guy who popularized the west coast offense.  He'd also played for TO.  I'd say he had about as good of mentors as one could possibly have when it comes to offense.  However, this isn't where his experience stops.  He joined Chip Kelly's staff at Oregon where he was involved in running the spread option.  I'd say he's about as well versed in different offensive philosophies as one could possibly be. 

 

It should be noted that Frost hasn't always been simply an offensive coach.  He played defense in the NFL.  One of his first coaching jobs was as a linebacker coach at Northern Iowa.  Later, he was promoted to co-DC where his defense ranked in the top 10 in FCS.  He's about as well rounded of a coach as you're possibly going to find out there.  He played both offense and defense at Stanford.  He played offense at Nebraska.  He played defense in the NFL.  He's coached both sides of the ball.  He's been coached by some of the absolute best coaches in the business.  He's the son of a coach.  Plus, he's probably one of the smartest people involved in the coaching industry today. 

 

Frost is currently in his second year at UCF.  He took over a team that didn't win a single game the season before he got there.  In his first year, he had them bowl eligible.  In his second year, they are 4-0 and currently ranked in the top 25.  One can't help but wonder if Helfrich would still be employed at Oregon had Frost stayed on as OC.  In Frost's last year as Oregon's OC, Oregon averaged 43 points per game.  The following year without Frost, Oregon averaged 35. 

 

Frost is from small town Nebraska.  He grew up a Husker fan.  His dad played for the Huskers.  He won a NC as a Husker.  One of the biggest reasons Chip Kelly brought Frost onto his staff was to implement toughness especially amongst the WR group.  Frost has seen us win.  Frost made us winners as a player.  I can't think of many who are more knowledgeable in what it takes to win at Nebraska than Frost.  Everywhere he goes, the team he's coaching becomes a lot more physical.  This is essentially what's been missing here for quite some time.    

Awesome take on this subject.  Good solid points made, and very accurate!   I like the fact that so many think we can go and hire basically any top caoch away from another Power 5 school right now.  That train has gone and left  the depot.  We have fired too many 9 wins coaches and hired scrubs as replacements.

[Judoka]

On 10/9/2017 at 11:30 AM, unlfan said:

It is all a moot point. He's gone. I know, he knows it, everybody knows it.

Having talked with my friend whose kid is on the team...the players definitly know it.

[Hayseed]

3 hours ago, Nebhawk said:

Awesome take on this subject.  Good solid points made, and very accurate!   I like the fact that so many think we can go and hire basically any top caoch away from another Power 5 school right now.  That train has gone and left  the depot.  We have fired too many 9 wins coaches and hired scrubs as replacements.

10 win