Sexism - It's a Real Thing

[NM11046]

His entire FB page is one big misogynic mess.

[Danny Bateman]

Dozens of People Recount Pattern of Sexual Misconduct by Las Vegas Mogul Steve Wynn

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LAS VEGAS—Not long after the billionaire casino mogul Steve Wynn opened his flagship Wynn Las Vegas in 2005, a manicurist who worked there arrived at the on-site salon visibly distressed following an appointment in Mr. Wynn’s office.
 

Sobbing, she told a colleague Mr. Wynn had forced her to have sex, and she repeated that to others later.
 

After she gave Mr. Wynn a manicure, she said, he pressured her to take her clothes off and told her to lie on the massage table he kept in his office suite, according to people she gave the account to. The manicurist said she told Mr. Wynn she didn’t want to have sex and was married, but he persisted in his demands that she do so, and ultimately she did disrobe and they had sex, the people remember her saying. 
 

After being told of the allegations, the woman’s supervisor said she filed a detailed report to the casino’s human-resources department recounting the episode.
 

Mr. Wynn later paid the manicurist a $7.5 million settlement, according to people familiar with the matter.
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Beyond this incident, dozens of people The Wall Street Journal interviewed who have worked at Mr. Wynn’s casinos told of behavior that cumulatively would amount to a decadeslong pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Wynn. Some described him pressuring employees to perform sex acts.

 

 

It's prescient to remember Wynn is the current RNC finance chairman, and the president has called him a "great friend." Birds of a feather flock together, I guess. Republicans made every attempt to make political hay & damage the Democrats about donations taken from Harvey Weinstein when that story broke open. I wonder if we'll see a similar backlash here & if the Republicans will give back their funds as the Dems did.

 

@knapplc do you find it curious at all the Clinton advisor story breaks mere hours before this one? I like to be a rational guy. But conspiracy is very en vogue right now. By no means am I going to defend Clinton. It's another example of unspeakably poor judgment & a penchant for looking the other way on serious matters when it's a close friend. But I find myself wondering if that story was mysteriously flopped out there in a haste to give right-wing media to froth at the mouth about instead of critically covering Trump or Wynn, which would be bad for the brand.

[Moiraine]

Example of systematic sexism:

 

Women's front jeans pockets.

 

They normally aren't even big enough to fit a hand in let alone keys or a credit card holder. Not every chick carries a mini suitcase with them, damn it!

Edited January 26, 2018 by Moiraine

[knapplc]

14 minutes ago, dudeguyy said:

 do you find it curious at all the Clinton advisor story breaks mere hours before this one? I like to be a rational guy. But conspiracy is very en vogue right now. By no means am I going to defend Clinton. It's another example of unspeakably poor judgment & a penchant for looking the other way on serious matters when it's a close friend. But I find myself wondering if that story was mysteriously flopped out there in a haste to give right-wing media to froth at the mouth about instead of critically covering Trump or Wynn, which would be bad for the brand.

 

It's not coincidental at all, just like it wasn't coincidental that all of the allegations against Al Franken came out during the Roy Moore campaign. 

[Danny Bateman]

2 hours ago, knapplc said:

 

It's not coincidental at all, just like it wasn't coincidental that all of the allegations against Al Franken came out during the Roy Moore campaign. 

 

I'm all for getting either of these stories out in the open. I'm sick & tired of the rich & powerful treating people this way just because they think they can. I don't understand how it's this difficult for people to just not sexually assault or harass people.

 

I just thought the timing was suspect. Paying attention to politics is important but it feels exceedingly seedy to watch both sides continue to plant stories strategically like this. I guess the content of the story doesn't matter as much as how much the side in question can use it as a cudgel.

[NM11046]

Sad part is that they've had these stories, the witnesses etc and have sat on them in order to whip them out at an opportune political time.  Disgusting really & truly.

[jsneb83]

So this happened...

 

http://www.omaha.com/news/nebraska/suit-atkinson-police-chief-didn-t-hire-female-cop-because/article_46d1b49c-09f6-5e6b-9f08-703ff753737d.html

 

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Suit: Atkinson police chief didn't hire female cop because he thought city 'wasn't ready' for one

 

A former police officer candidate has sued the police chief of Atkinson, Nebraska, alleging that he didn’t hire her because the northern Nebraska ranching community “wasn’t ready” for a female cop.

Rhonda Olson, in a lawsuit filed recently in U.S. District Court, alleged she was rejected for hiring in 2008 by Atkinson Police Chief Tim Larby, despite being a graduate of the state’s law enforcement training center, having a degree in criminal justice, and having prior law enforcement experience. The chief, according to the lawsuit, hired his brother-in-law for the post, even though he was less qualified.

 

[BigRedBuster]

41 minutes ago, jsneb83 said:

So this happened...

 

http://www.omaha.com/news/nebraska/suit-atkinson-police-chief-didn-t-hire-female-cop-because/article_46d1b49c-09f6-5e6b-9f08-703ff753737d.html

 

 

That’s just plain stupidity. There are female cops all over Nebraska. 

 

Idiot. 

[Moiraine]

Hope she wins.

[zoogs]

What? No, I do not find it a wink, wink coincidence. These stories are coming out now because they can, and could not before. There are a lot of stories and a lot more will come out on people of various stripes, liberal or conservative. It’s always someone’s political news cycle. We cannot engage in the same reflexive casting of aspersions on those who come out that has always been the impediment to speaking up in the first place. Come on.

[zoogs]

 

 

 

This captures many of my feelings and frustrations so resonantly. 

 

"This, it seems to me, is a much larger, systematic response to female voices, female interpretations, female worries and frustrations."

[Moiraine]

Sorry, but... the writing in that was so incredbly corny I cringed half a dozen times through the first 3 paragraphs and it's hard for me to believe any of the stories she's telling are actually true.  I'm not sure it's not fiction.

 

 

Everywhere across America, liberal unions once so strong in love—relationships founded on mutual respect and trust and commitment and loyalty—have found themselves upended, or at the very least foundationally rocked, by the political escalation as it relates, perhaps most specifically, to womanhood and gender. Twenties or thirties or forties, children or no children, married or engaged or committed via long-term relationships: I have met more women than I can count in these past three weeks alone who have confided, in low voices—or once shouting, disbelieving, desperate, we have three children, one woman cried to me—of the disruption in their own home.

 

Of men—previously, pleasantly, progressive—rising up with unprecedented hostility, anger, abandon, and resentment.

 

 

Why are more women than she can count coming up and vomiting their relationship details at her?

Edited February 28, 2018 by Moiraine

[zoogs]

As women are wont to do, she's probably both hysterical and fabricating.

 

I have a very different take. And it tracks with my impressions of men in general -- not all, but a portion, and across the political spectrum -- in the ways in which they profoundly struggle to grapple with what feels like an upended world. 

[Moiraine]

12 minutes ago, zoogs said:

As women are wont to do, she's probably both hysterical and fabricating.

 

I have a very different take. And it tracks with my impressions of men in general -- not all, but a portion, and across the political spectrum -- in the ways in which they profoundly struggle to grapple with what feels like an upended world. 

 

 

To the bolded, ya, clearly that's what I think.

 

It was by far the cheesiest writing I've ever read and sounded completely unlike any real life I've ever witnessed. And she witnessed it from more women than she can count.

 

 

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My husband worries about our daughter, she told me recently. That I’m only teaching her she’s a victim.

 

One day, while she was picking their children up from daycare, he burned a handful of her possessions: her Nasty Women shirt, her Hillary Clinton pins.

 

 

First paragraph, believable. 2nd, lol.

 

 

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All of you women with your labia hats,he said. All of you with your clitoris signs.

 

 

People don't talk like this. And they don't generally have too many women to count over a 2-3 week period coming up to them talking about their liberal husbands divorcing them over their feminism and crying out "we have 3 children!"

 

The entire tone was overdramatic. It read like satire.

Edited February 28, 2018 by Moiraine

[zoogs]

It's a personal essay, right? Or maybe it's a short story. Either way, she's translating personal experiences so as to share and convey them to a broader audience who may not have had the same ones. Isn't that what the medium is for? This isn't meant to be journalistic, clearly. 

 

I cringed, too. It should be discomfiting. I feel like "bad writing" is too easy a way to dismiss it, and it calls to mind all the similar ways we try to undermine the message of other storytellers. 

 

#MeToo as well as what came before hasn't been what you would call a mild movement. I think in finding a permissive space for their voices a lot of anger that's been held back for a long time has been let loose, and with it comes these familiar, diminishing criticisms. And yet it is the anger that holds the reasonable ground, not the side surprised to see it exist and struggling to accept it as valid.