Racism - It's a real thing.

[DevoHusker]

15 minutes ago, Cdog923 said:

 

You know that "Trending on Twitter" doesn't actually mean anything, right? 

 

Trending on Twitter means it’s Trending on Twitter lol 

[DevoHusker]

2 minutes ago, NM11046 said:

Sorry Devo - I see you commented about the Holder/Emanuel thing when I was posting my question.  

 

Carry on!  

 

This one is going to be very, very interesting.

 

No worries and I agree...Chicago politics... what can you say..?

[DevoHusker]

15 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

No worries! I can barely keep the officials from the current administration straight, let alone guys from the last one.

 

[NM11046]

 

4 well spent mins.   And if you're not familiar with W. Kamau Bell, look into him.  He has (I think it's still on, haven't seen it in awhile) a great show on CNN.

[QMany]

 

[Moiraine]

I wonder if White privilege was poorly named or if people would have reacted the same regardless of the chosen phrase. (Kinda like people suddenly don’t understand the nuances of the English language when talking about the phrase “Black lives matter” and purposely, incorrectly take the intended meaning as only Black lives matter).

 

Anyhow onto the point. I think White privilege has less to do with White people getting an advantage and having more good things happen to them and more to do with White people having less bad things happen to them, like the above — White people are a lot less likely to get pulled over for doing nothing wrong. They’re a lot less likely to not get a job interview based on their name. Etc.

 

[NM11046]

So you're saying people of color are disadvantaged because of that.  And unprivileged or underprivileged because of their lack of access to equal assumptions, or the same "good things" happening to them.  

 

I think it's really toe-mae-toe vs. toe-mah-toe.  Anybody questioning if POC are getting a fair shake is going to ruffle insecure (racist), white people's chain.  They'd have an issue no matter what it's called - not sure if it's defensiveness because they're worried about it going away or they're embarrassed at how POC have been treated in the past, take that back, I think very little of it is feeling bad or embarrassed about our past.

[Moiraine]

59 minutes ago, NM11046 said:

So you're saying people of color are disadvantaged because of that.  And unprivileged or underprivileged because of their lack of access to equal assumptions, or the same "good things" happening to them.  

 

I think it's really toe-mae-toe vs. toe-mah-toe.  Anybody questioning if POC are getting a fair shake is going to ruffle insecure (racist), white people's chain.  They'd have an issue no matter what it's called - not sure if it's defensiveness because they're worried about it going away or they're embarrassed at how POC have been treated in the past, take that back, I think very little of it is feeling bad or embarrassed about our past.

 

 

I agree with this, but it might have been easier to swallow the other way around. Because some people hear “White privilege” and they’re White and they’ve had plenty of s#!tty things happen to them and immediately scoff at the idea.

 

But you are probably right that no matter how it was phrased it would’ve gotten the same reaction. 

[Landlord]

I think first of all 'white privilege' was a mistake in language because it led everyone to focus way, way, way too much on an immutable characteristic that's far too broad, often times at the expense of other highly important power/privilege spectrums that we ignore. 

 

That aside though, a good way to frame the privilege conversation is that whoever you are your struggles are legitimate, and there are other people who have similar legitimate struggles and then they have some extra struggles specifically because of something like the color of their skin.

 

Like white people that are having a tough time aren't having a tough time because they're white. That's part of the distinction.

[BigRedBuster]

 

[RedDenver]

This is a longer article but worth the read:

A Tale of Two Suburbs

[B.B. Hemingway]

On 4/8/2019 at 4:19 PM, Landlord said:

I think first of all 'white privilege' was a mistake in language because it led everyone to focus way, way, way too much on an immutable characteristic that's far too broad, often times at the expense of other highly important power/privilege spectrums that we ignore. 

 

That aside though, a good way to frame the privilege conversation is that whoever you are your struggles are legitimate, and there are other people who have similar legitimate struggles and then they have some extra struggles specifically because of something like the color of their skin.

 

Like white people that are having a tough time aren't having a tough time because they're white. That's part of the distinction.

 

And most black people aren't having a tough time, because they're black.... I do agree with your larger point, it's less about the color of your skin, and more about the "class" you were born into.

[Landlord]

35 minutes ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

 

And most black people aren't having a tough time, because they're black.... I do agree with your larger point, it's less about the color of your skin, and more about the "class" you were born into.

 

 

Every single black person in America has a tough time with at least one or two things because they are black.

[NM11046]

1 hour ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

 

And most black people aren't having a tough time, because they're black.... I do agree with your larger point, it's less about the color of your skin, and more about the "class" you were born into.

So having people cross the street when a black man walks by or having a sales clerk follow you around a store - that's because of the class they're born into?  How exactly can one tell that at the mall?

[B.B. Hemingway]

2 hours ago, Landlord said:

 

 

Every single black person in America has a tough time with at least one or two things because they are black.

 

They also benefit from at least a few things because they're black.

 

1 hour ago, NM11046 said:

So having people cross the street when a black man walks by or having a sales clerk follow you around a store - that's because of the class they're born into?  How exactly can one tell that at the mall?

 

A black guy walks into a general store in a suit and tie, and you think he's consistently followed around the store? I highly doubt it. Now a black guy (or white, or brown, etc) walks into a store dressed like a thug? I'll buy that. Except that I believe it has more to do with their appearance reflecting their social class, fair or not. (the way they are dressed, etc).

 

It's pretty easy to tell what "class" an individual (any color) comes from after a few moments of observation. It isn't fool proof, obviously....