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13 hours ago, Husker_Bohunk said:

 

Sorry, but I'm not buying this. When at Oregon St they didn't have the facilities or resources we have and it was generally considered that he did more with less. That wasn't just here either.

 

This wasn't a justification for why he might have done well here but it was a ray of hope for many people. Of course, that didn't pan out. 

so some people use facts like, lots of coaches win at places with crappy resources, a coach that has never won anything consistently for 30 years isn't likely to win titles simply because he "gets" more resources, etc etc etc to determine probable outcome and some people use emotional reasoning for a chance at hoping for a positive outcome- I think we both know where we stand and I'm fine knowing I was right

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14 hours ago, Husker_Bohunk said:

 

Someone's faith should never be a consideration when it comes to employment.

 

*Edit* He's already a college coach working Saturdays so why does his faith matter again?

I can express whatever opinion I wish about it honestly, I'm not hiring him, I'm just a fan....deal with it

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15 hours ago, HIHusker said:

I can express whatever opinion I wish about it honestly, I'm not hiring him, I'm just a fan....deal with it

 

 

You can express any opinion you want but it is against the law to discriminate based on religion and that is what you want the University to do. 

 

Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits employers with at least 15 employees, as well as employment agencies and unions, from discriminating in employment based on race, color, religion, sex, and national origin.

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16 hours ago, Whistlepig said:

so some people use facts like, lots of coaches win at places with crappy resources, a coach that has never won anything consistently for 30 years isn't likely to win titles simply because he "gets" more resources, etc etc etc to determine probable outcome and some people use emotional reasoning for a chance at hoping for a positive outcome- I think we both know where we stand and I'm fine knowing I was right

 

How many P5 schools can you name that had roughly the same resources/facilities that Oregon St has that wins like you expect?

 

That said, none of what you've said disputes the fact that Riley's reputation for doing more with less gave many fans a ray of hope.

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On 11/6/2017 at 10:31 PM, neepster said:

I don't think Fuentes is leaving VT.... not for Nebraska anyway.

 

Fuente (no 's') has a $15 million buyout, he's not going anywhere.

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Husker_Bohunk, IMO hiring an LDS coach is a bad idea.  While the university can't discriminate, they can choose who to pursue.  I have nothing against anyone from that religion, but I do believe it could negatively impact recruiting.  

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3 hours ago, Husker_Bohunk said:

 

How many P5 schools can you name that had roughly the same resources/facilities that Oregon St has that wins like you expect?

 

That said, none of what you've said disputes the fact that Riley's reputation for doing more with less gave many fans a ray of hope.

re-read what i posted- "reputation" is a subjective term-and who cares about people who believe something that wasn't deserved or factually based? I say his reputation was he was a loser which is better defined then just saying he had terrible resources- most beaver fans would agree with me on that fact and not the opinion/reputation of doing more with less- BTW as far as your silly comment about facilities Erickson came in after ML's first stint and actually did do more with less, he had a PAC championship in year 2 and took a team ML left from 5-6 to 7-5- but Ericksons reputation was he was a winner which of course was based -again on facts.

So YOU have never directed any of your comments to the my facts only replied with  comments that divert attention off from the main points.

anyway, say whatever you want because you're not using logic or facts as a base for your comments

 at some point you have to understand that it is silly to belabor this thread.

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3 hours ago, Hilltop said:

Husker_Bohunk, IMO hiring an LDS coach is a bad idea.  While the university can't discriminate, they can choose who to pursue.  I have nothing against anyone from that religion, but I do believe it could negatively impact recruiting.  

 

How would a coach from the Church of Latter Day Saints negatively impact recruiting?

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To put it bluntly, some parents wouldn't want their kids playing for that coach.  I don't share that view point but there is no denying the stigma that some people have towards the religion.  Google is your friend- your a smart guy do some research and you will find a gob of answers.  I am not interested in getting into a debate with you if that is where you are headed.  

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3 minutes ago, Hilltop said:

To put it bluntly, some parents wouldn't want their kids playing for that coach.  I don't share that view point but there is no denying the stigma that some people have towards the religion.  Google is your friend- your a smart guy do some research and you will find a gob of answers.  I am not interested in getting into a debate with you if that is where you are headed.  

This.

 

We just had a LDS family move in right next door and everyone in the neighborhood was excited for a new family with kids all of our kids' age to move in. Then they found out the new family is LDS and the demeanor changed completely toward the new neighbors. It is unfortunate they are judged by their religion, especially because they are good people, but it is the reality. I work with several LDS colleagues currently and have no problem with them personally but the stigma still remains unfortunately.

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2 hours ago, Hilltop said:

To put it bluntly, some parents wouldn't want their kids playing for that coach.  I don't share that view point but there is no denying the stigma that some people have towards the religion.  Google is your friend- your a smart guy do some research and you will find a gob of answers.  I am not interested in getting into a debate with you if that is where you are headed.  

 

You could apply that to just about any coach. And deliberately avoiding any potential employment contact with a coach from any religion is still discrimination, although it is harder to prove. Personally, I'd rather the University not violate or circumvent any of our laws.

 

I know that the LDS church holds many views that are contrary to the progressive ideals in this country but that doesn't make the guy a bad coach or even a bad fit simply because of his faith. It is severely misguided to take the approach that we don't want him based on his faith.

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20 hours ago, Whistlepig said:

re-read what i posted- "reputation" is a subjective term-and who cares about people who believe something that wasn't deserved or factually based? I say his reputation was he was a loser which is better defined then just saying he had terrible resources- most beaver fans would agree with me on that fact and not the opinion/reputation of doing more with less- BTW as far as your silly comment about facilities Erickson came in after ML's first stint and actually did do more with less, he had a PAC championship in year 2 and took a team ML left from 5-6 to 7-5- but Ericksons reputation was he was a winner which of course was based -again on facts.

So YOU have never directed any of your comments to the my facts only replied with  comments that divert attention off from the main points.

anyway, say whatever you want because you're not using logic or facts as a base for your comments

 at some point you have to understand that it is silly to belabor this thread.

 

I really don't need to read what you posted again, I did just fine the first time.

 

Reputations being subjective is kind of a given, however, that does not take away from the fact that Riley had a reputation for doing more with less and that is what gave many people here a ray of hope. Nothing you've said refutes that.

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On 11/9/2017 at 11:49 AM, Husker_Bohunk said:

 

I really don't need to read what you posted again, I did just fine the first time.

 

Reputations being subjective is kind of a given, however, that does not take away from the fact that Riley had a reputation for doing more with less and that is what gave many people here a ray of hope. Nothing you've said refutes that.

that wasn't the point - spin the wheel and win a banana

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