BIG ERN Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Nebraska is dead last in Red Zone scoring in regards to TD% among P5 teams (45%). 107th in the nation red zone scoring at .758%. We are also giving up 400 yards a game on defense. Rushing YPG: 2017: 121 (3.8 ypc) 2016: 169 2015: 180 2014: 240 2013: 216 2012: 253 2011: 217 2010: 248 Passing YPG: 2017: 269 2016: 212 2015: 267 2014: 212 2013: 197 2012: 207 2011: 163 2010: 151 OFF Turnovers: 2017: 16* 2016: 14 2015: 27 2014: 25 2013: 29 2012: 35 (22 fumbles lost) 2011: 19 2010: 24 OFF PPG: 2017: 25.6 2016: 26.5 2015: 32.8 2014: 37.8 2013: 31.9 2012: 34.8 2011: 29.2 2010: 30.9 OPP PPG: 2017: 30.1 2016: 23.9 2015: 27.8 2014: 26.4 2013: 24.8 2012: 27.6 2011: 23.4 2010: 17.4 *Riley era in bold 2 Quote Link to comment
JJ Husker Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 So, what you're saying is that Riley just needs more time? 2 Quote Link to comment
gobiggergoredder Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 (edited) Delete Edited November 6, 2017 by gobiggergoredder Quote Link to comment
BIG ERN Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 19 hours ago, El Diaco said: So, what you're saying is that Riley just needs more time? Absolutely not. Was just curious so I posted. Quote Link to comment
Army Husker Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Wow, looking through those stats reminded me of 2012 and those fumbles. Like waiting to see an interception every throw this year, except then it was waiting to see a fumble every run play. Good times! Quote Link to comment
RedDenver Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Riley did reduce our offensive turnovers. Apparently that isn't enough by itself to get it done. Quote Link to comment
JJ Husker Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 59 minutes ago, RedDenver said: Riley did reduce our offensive turnovers. Apparently that isn't enough by itself to get it done. I'd kind of like to see the number of turnovers placed in context to the number of offensive plays ran. It's just a theory but it seems likely that in those previous years with more turnovers we probably ran more plays and had longer TOP. Seems like Riley's teams haven't been very good at sustaining drives or at helping to keep our defense off the field. But fewer turnovers is good....I guess. Would be nice if it helped contribute to actually winning games. 1 Quote Link to comment
ColoradoHusk Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 11 minutes ago, El Diaco said: I'd kind of like to see the number of turnovers placed in context to the number of offensive plays ran. It's just a theory but it seems likely that in those previous years with more turnovers we probably ran more plays and had longer TOP. Seems like Riley's teams haven't been very good at sustaining drives or at helping to keep our defense off the field. But fewer turnovers is good....I guess. Would be nice if it helped contribute to actually winning games. Here are the stats for turnovers per game and average # of offensive plays per game from 2011-17. 2011 - 1.5 turnovers, 69.5 plays 2012 - 2.5 turnovers, 74.3 plays 2013 - 2.2 turnovers, 74.0 plays 2014 - 1.9 turnovers, 72.8 plays 2015 - 2.1 turnovers, 73.4 plays 2016 - 1.1 turnovers, 70.9 plays 2017 - 1.8 turnovers, 69.8 plays. Other than 2016, I don't know if the turnovers are significantly lower under Riley (other than 2012, which had Martinez and Abdullah fumbling at a high rate along with a few muffed punts), and the number of plays are slightly down under Riley. This year, most of NU's turnovers are from Lee interceptions, but that could be due to an overall trend of fewer fumbles in college football. Mike'l Severe had a comment that fumbling has been lower in recent years due to the crack down of tackling "high" by the defenders. Tackling high and big hits would lead to more fumbles in the past. 2 Quote Link to comment
JJ Husker Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Well that blows the hell out of my theory of running fewer plays but thanks for the stats @ColoradoHusk. 1 Quote Link to comment
ColoradoHusk Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, El Diaco said: Well that blows the hell out of my theory of running fewer plays but thanks for the stats @ColoradoHusk. I also expected NU to be running much fewer plays under Riley. Unless teams are running super high tempo or heavy-ball control there isn't much difference in the overall number of plays. But in terms of college football rankings, the average number of offensive plays are trending down under Riley. Rankings of offensive plays per game: 2012 - 32 2013 - 45 2014 - 48 2015 - 55 2016 - 74 2017 - 76 My edit was to having the incorrect figures in 12 and 13. Edited November 7, 2017 by ColoradoHusk 1 Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Most of our turnover problems in the Martinez years were just that - Martinez was terrible with ball security. I don't think there was anything any coach could have done to fix it. You lived with that because of what else he brought to the table. Also, Abdullah was far from great at ball security. If you watched the Monday Night game last night you see he still isn't. So a lot of our turnover issues during that time had to do with two of our best offensive players - and guys that had the ball a lot - being less-than-stellar at protecting the ball. Which is a long way of saying I don't think Riley necessarily did much to reduce the turnovers so much as guys that were bad a ball security graduated and the guys that replaced them are better at it. 1 Quote Link to comment
ColoradoHusk Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mavric said: Most of our turnover problems in the Martinez years were just that - Martinez was terrible with ball security. I don't think there was anything any coach could have done to fix it. You lived with that because of what else he brought to the table. Also, Abdullah was far from great at ball security. If you watched the Monday Night game last night you see he still isn't. So a lot of our turnover issues during that time had to do with two of our best offensive players - and guys that had the ball a lot - being less-than-stellar at protecting the ball. Which is a long way of saying I don't think Riley necessarily did much to reduce the turnovers so much as guys that were bad a ball security graduated and the guys that replaced them are better at it. Also, when you look at 2015 and 2017 when Riley and Langsdorf were going to run "their offense", the turnover figures aren't drastically lower than the last 2 years under Beck. The turnover figures look good in '16 because Langsdorf went more conservative with Armstrong until he got injured. It actually was quite effective against the teams NU had a clear talent advantage over. Of course, due to the higher turnover numbers in '15 and '17 NU has lost to some inferior teams. 1 Quote Link to comment
beorach Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) I've written before about how I thought Riley and company deserved some credit for cleaning up the fumbling problem. I also thought that our pre-snap offensive penalties went down (but that's not the topic and I'm not sure how to ferret out just those illegal procedures and false starts anyway). At any rate, I've compiled the stats in terms of percentiles (relative to national figures) for consideration. 2012 percentile rankings for the turnover margin category, relative to national stats from games between FBS teams only fumbles gained per game percentile: 32 interceptions gained per game percentile: 42 total turnovers gained per game: 33 fumbles lost per game: 2 interceptions lost per game: 51 total turnovers lost per game: 9 turnover margin per game: 12 2013 same thing fumbles gained per game percentile: 3 interceptions gained per game percentile: 53 total turnovers gained per game: 15 fumbles lost per game: 5 interceptions lost per game: 39 total turnovers lost per game: 13 turnover margin per game: 6 2014 same thing (but w/o Taylor Martinez) fumbles gained per game percentile: 61 interceptions gained per game percentile: 58 total turnovers gained per game: 64 fumbles lost per game: 12 interceptions lost per game: 52 total turnovers lost per game: 24 turnover margin per game: 41 2015 same thing fumbles gained per game percentile: 8 interceptions gained per game percentile: 34 total turnovers gained per game: 14 fumbles lost per game: 82 interceptions lost per game: 3 total turnovers lost per game: 16 turnover margin per game: 9 2016 same thing fumbles gained per game percentile: 4 interceptions gained per game percentile: 85 total turnovers gained per game: 42 fumbles lost per game: 86 interceptions lost per game: 72 total turnovers lost per game: 87 turnover margin per game: 74 Averages from last five complete seasons (including bowls) fumbles gained per game percentile: 22 interceptions gained per game percentile: 54 total turnovers gained per game: 34 fumbles lost per game: 37 interceptions lost per game: 43 total turnovers lost per game: 30 turnover margin per game: 28 Edited November 7, 2017 by beorach Quote Link to comment
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