Guy Chamberlin Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 31 minutes ago, grandpasknee said: Who said that? You made me look it up and I got it slightly wrong: “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.” - Samuel Johnson, 1775 1 Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Bumped into an interesting article on the subject with a Husker angle: http://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/life-in-the-red/navy-seal-husker-supportive-of-players-national-anthem-protests/article_b3df5836-c30e-11e7-99ed-affce8ce7b0d.html 2 Link to comment
Landlord Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 2 hours ago, grandpasknee said: Seems a bit odd that some are against the government/military "advertising" out country during game, but are fine with Pepsi, Valentinos and Runza humping their wares during games. Yes, it is advertising for recruiting at some level. So what? Call it jingo-ism if you like, but I much prefer ads that support our country than ads geared at random products. And I love Pepsi and Vals....can't stand Runzas though. I'm actually against all of that. Some places, like Michigan, have zero corporate advertisements in their stadium and during their games. And it's completely amazing. 1 Link to comment
grandpasknee Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Landlord said: I'm actually against all of that. Some places, like Michigan, have zero corporate advertisements in their stadium and during their games. And it's completely amazing. I'd be ALL for that. Besides, my section never wins a free pizza or pepsi anyway! heh heh...and Michigan has been one of my "bucket list" games to visit, along with Army/Navy and Florida / Georgia. Even more reason to go now. Link to comment
grandpasknee Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Guy Chamberlin said: You made me look it up and I got it slightly wrong: “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.” - Samuel Johnson, 1775 I looked it up to and found the Samuel Johnson quote, as well as some other fellow I'd never heard of. The second fellow actually said the same thing 'Patriotism is the last refuge of the coward, as some one once said"...so he was requoting the unknown. There is no doubt that scoundrels will hide behind patriotism and many other things. It certainly does not, in any way, mean that all patriots are scoundrels. At least it doesn't mean that to me. Link to comment
kozzman555 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 It's just marketing. The same core base of people who enjoy football and NASCAR tend to be the most pro-military demographic as well. Football teams/leagues are pandering to their audience, trying to show how much they respect the military by allowing and encouraging all of these appreciation events and advertising. TBH, as a vet, I don't care one way or the other. Doesn't matter to me unless I'm getting free food, then my interest might be piqued. I do have to admit that I hate when people find out I'm a vet and scramble over each other to shake my hand and lick my butthole in feigned gratitude because they feel like it's what they are supposed to do. #pleasedontdothat #justsayhi 5 Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 1 hour ago, grandpasknee said: There is no doubt that scoundrels will hide behind patriotism and many other things. It certainly does not, in any way, mean that all patriots are scoundrels. At least it doesn't mean that to me. Agree. I think the "ism" part of the equation is the problem. You do the right thing for the right reason, and give credit to your country as desired, but as soon as you start selling your "ism" as a way to separate good people from bad, it all goes south, 2 Link to comment
neepster Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) Eisenhower was right. The Military Industrial Complex exists and part of its strategy to make money is to keep Americans keyed up for war so that they can make boatloads of money. I agree that it borders on jingoistic, and it makes me a bit uncomfortable. However, it is over quickly and one can take it as an actual thank you to our veterans as well as what it likely is, which is a way to keep pushing people to vote for a bigger military budget, so I try to take it as the veterans thank you. But we need to be cognizant of the fact that a strong part of this is to keep up support for our very large military budget. Edited November 8, 2017 by neepster 3 Link to comment
Big Red Commie Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 11 hours ago, commando said: the anti-war sentiment you express in your post sure contrasts with your sig. "Political power comes out of the barrel of a gun......(Mao Tse Tung)" Nice pick up. Let me correct. I do believe in revolutionary war, not imperialist war. Link to comment
adc7236 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 It is just marketing under the guise of appreciation. Even with that said, I don't mind. I am a proud veteran with a love of country and symbols that represent....... such as our flag and anthem. 1 Link to comment
swmohusker Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I love football, I love our country, and I have the utmost respect for anyone who is or has served in the military. I see no problem with the military embedding itself into football. USA!!! GBR!!! 1 Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 17 hours ago, ColoradoHusk said: The NFL is currently having their "military appreciation" time of the season. Yes, it's a great gesture to honor the military and all the sacrifices that our military members and their families have done. However, the main reason they are doing it is to sell more NFL team gear. I walked into Dick's Sporting Goods this weekend, and the entire middle area of their floor was military-themed Broncos gear. It's all a sales & marketing ploy. Do they do the same thing -- including the TV commercials -- around every Veterans Day? Because I immediately took this as the NFL attempting a make good for all the anthem protests. Link to comment
khaake Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 What bothers me about it, in addition to it feeling 'forced' after a point, is that it starts to feel less like an appreciation event and more like a political event. That may not be the intent of those who organized it, but too much is too much. 1 Link to comment
ColoradoHusk Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 33 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said: Do they do the same thing -- including the TV commercials -- around every Veterans Day? Because I immediately took this as the NFL attempting a make good for all the anthem protests. Yeah, they have done the same thing for the past few Novembers. It's like the Pinktober the NFL would do to act like they care about breast cancer and they want to support women, but their actual donations to the Susan G Komen fund was minimal, as they sold "pink team gear" all month. Link to comment
knapplc Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 49 minutes ago, swmohusker said: I love football, I love our country, and I have the utmost respect for anyone who is or has served in the military. I see no problem with the military embedding itself into football. USA!!! GBR!!! I love football and I love our country too. But I don't think those things go together. We sing the national anthem before every. single. game. College, Pro, High School. Before every baseball game, every basketball game, blah blah blah. But while I love those games and I love my country - and I actually like singing the anthem - the anthem doesn't go with sports. It doesn't belong, and is a weird add-on. If we sing the anthem before games because we love our country, why don't we sing it before we do other things that are equally unrelated to football? Why don't we sing the anthem before we eat dinner? Why don't we sing the anthem before we have sex? Why don't we sing the anthem before we mow the lawn? Why don't we sing the anthem before we start our work day? Why don't we sing the anthem before we change our oil? Why don't we sing the anthem before we go to bed? Why don't we sing the anthem before we vote? Why don't we sing the anthem before we buy a car? Why don't we sing the anthem before we watch a movie? Why don't we sing the anthem before we start church service? Think about how weird it would be to do that before any of these events. But they're all as unrelated to the anthem as sporting events. 2 Link to comment
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