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1 hour ago, Ulty said:

Okay, but why is this a problem for you. What is the harm to you?

The harm will come when I mis-use a word that was re-defined. Especially when it now has multiple uses. I think it’s a bad choice that will not endear people to inclusion. 
 

Are you saying you would be more comfortable using these pronouns?

Yes. I would prefer new ones. 

 

 

[Archy1221]

1 hour ago, Ulty said:

I'll try to answer as best as I can, I apologize for the wordiness. I am not a lawyer and none of this is not legal advice. Different universities will have different policies, and different legal jurisdictions (for example Nebraska is in the 8th appellate circuit, and I live in the 6th circuit) may have different legal guidelines to follow unless something has been superseded by SCOTUS.

 

First of all, the Title IX regulations were entirely rewritten by DeVos's Dept of Ed last year, and all universities had to be compliant in pretty short order. I have a lot of problems with the new regs, but one of the impacts is that Title IX processes are now in favor of the Respondent (the accused party), as the investigative and hearing process is more complicated, and more like a courtroom setting, and will have the effect of deterring Complainants from coming forward. So depending on when this particular complaint occurred (before August 2020 or after), the process may be different.

 

In any event, I would not have expected Boy to be suspended during the investigation unless there was some reasonable belief that his continued presence on campus posed a serious risk to himself, the Complainant, or the community. Generally speaking, we don't take punitive action against without finding them responsible for a policy violation first, which requires the investigation and then the hearing. There are often other accommodations that can be made during the investigation (such as rearranging schedules, temporarily and voluntarily moving someone if they are in a residence hall, and/or mutual no contact orders). For the sake of due process, the Complainant and the Respondent need to be treated fairly throughout the process, and hopefully not have either of their academic opportunities disrupted. So for him to be suspended during the investigation, there must have been some sort of valid concern that he was still a threat, and that decision was hopefully very heavily scrutinized.

 

 

So, if he was found to not be responsible, I hope that he was immediately reinstated. The impact of his suspension very well could have harmed his academic pursuits. I would not expect the full investigation to go into his file, though. At my university, I know that in employee-related cases, the only thing that ever shows up in an employee's personnel file is a disciplinary letter only if the investigation results in a finding and it goes to hearing. My investigative reports are sent to the parties who need to know, but the report itself is typically not part of the file. I don't dig into student conduct files as often, but I believe that the only thing that ends up in the files where I work is the disposition (the final results) of the case, and not the investigative report itself. That report and the evidence is stored elsewhere. Boy should have the right to view his file, so maybe he should ask, to see what is in there.

 

 

My school's policies do have provisions against knowingly providing false information at any part of the process. It is a violation of policy and can similarly be investigated and result in discipline. However, things like that are very hard to prove. If a complaint is made in good faith but the evidence is not sufficient to support it, that is not necessarily a false report. Proving that the report was knowingly false is very, very hard, and this complaint might even be construed to be retaliatory. Of course, retaliation is also a violation of policy. So I would guess that he could file a complaint himself, he would be hard pressed to have sufficient evidence to support it. 

 

 

That is always a possibility of course. In my investigations, I work really hard to treat all parties with respect, dignity, and empathy. You get more flies with honey than with vinegar, they say. But that doesn't mean that the process won't be intimidating or just flat out suck for all of the people involved. But there are multiple levels in the process. A student complaint starts with resources and support services offered by a Deputy Title IX Coordinator, then it goes to an investigator if the allegations are serious enough, then if a hearing is appropriate the case goes to a hearing panel who makes the actual decisions in the case, and there are appeal processes for both the investigation and the hearing if there is an error along the way. If it still doesn't go well, the parties always have the right to file a lawsuit. So everyone involved has a strong interest in getting it right. 

 

Hell, I even once investigated a discrimination complaint against a Title IX investigator in our student conduct office across campus. The complainant accused the investigator of being an a$$hole, and racist to boot (which is why it came to me), so I carefully examined the investigative process that the other office used. There is always another step, and everyone who gets into this line of work has a strong sense of justice. But there has to be plenty of evidence in order to get anywhere.

Thank you very much for the detailed response.  Much, much more than I expected and very informative of the process.  Kuddo’s    
 

I believe it was a 2021 issue from what I gather.  I had a daughter recently graduate and never really had much of a concern for her safety on campus as they do a good job in my opinion with security and she always put herself in good situations. 
My neighbors experience though worries me a bit for my son who just entered college and how easy it seems for a false allegation to harm a student.  
I could be off base, but maybe the DeVoss change you were mentioning is a good thing or at the very least swings the pendulum back to a more fair standard for both parties involved in a dispute.  
 

Anyways, thanks again.  Always looking to gain more knowledge on different subjects that I hear about or are in the news.  One cool thing about forums like this.  A variety of expertise to call upon.  

[BigRedBuster]

3 hours ago, DevoHusker said:

 

I saw this somewhere over the weekend, and thought it was pretty accurate:

 

Liberals think that Conservatives are Bad People who have Ideas.

Conservatives think that Liberals are People who have Bad Ideas. 

 

I see it in practice quite often. 

I don't see that as true.

 

I constantly see conservatives trying to paint liberals as horrible people.

 

After all, Obama was a Muslim sent here as a child to be raised to destroy America from within.  He was going to usher in Sharia Law.

 

Hillary was a lesbian corrupt criminal.

 

Biden and Hunter are criminals.

 

Etc....

[Ulty]

4 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

My neighbors experience though worries me a bit for my son who just entered college and how easy it seems for a false allegation to harm a student.  

It's a different world than when you and I were that age. One thing I stress to students when I conduct training, and that I talk to my pre-teen son about now, is to understand consent. What it is and what it isn't. A lot of reports and complaints stem from situations where someone thought they had consent, but maybe they didn't really. It takes a lot of evidence to make a finding, but even so, you don't want to find yourself accused and in the middle of one of these processes. Be smart enough to stay out of those situations, always get explicit consent, and don't screw around with a girl who is impaired. Some people (@NUance) have a problem understanding this.

 

 

16 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

I could be off base, but maybe the DeVoss change you were mentioning is a good thing or at the very least swings the pendulum back to a more fair standard for both parties involved in a dispute.  

It's a complicated deal, and those of us who do this work are still navigating the fallout from the Title IX changes. It does swing the pendulum for sure. The intent of some of the changes were for the sake of due process, which is not a bad thing. But another intent is to reduce complaints, which it does by complicating the process, not by making campuses safer. 

 

 

20 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Word!

 

[DevoHusker]

10 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

I don't see that as true.

 

Got it. I don't see it much on a personal level, or within my work circle...but then again I am pretty far left compared to most of my coworkers...lol

Different viewpoints are not a bad thing.

[Lorewarn]

 

6 hours ago, DevoHusker said:

 

I saw this somewhere over the weekend, and thought it was pretty accurate:

 

Liberals think that Conservatives are Bad People who have Ideas.

Conservatives think that Liberals are People who have Bad Ideas. 

 

I see it in practice quite often. 

 

 

 

Excuse me? The godless atheists who want to take away Christmas, The Squad on Capitol Hill trying to implement sharia law, the trans creeps who want to prey on girls in bathrooms, the baby killers committing genocide, the coastal elites and their snobbish attitude towards "real" America, the Mexican rapists, the woke snowflakes who want to erase our history by taking down statues, Bernie Sanders who wants us all to be equal starving in the bread line or gulags, senile pervert dementia braindead Uncle Joe, the Muslim sleeper agent Obama, the criminal deep state crook Hillary, the satan worshiping child-blood drinking deep state cabal, and the tyrannical free speech hating social media companies are absolutely 100% Bad People who have ideas™‬ 

 

 

 

 

 

 

6 hours ago, DevoHusker said:

I see it in practice quite often. 

 

3 hours ago, DevoHusker said:

Got it. I don't see it much on a personal level

 

 

Wait, which is it? lol

[DevoHusker]

3 hours ago, DevoHusker said:

I don't see it much on a personal level, or within my work circle

 

@LorewarnThat is what I said. My reference was Nationally or on social media. I should have clarified. 

[BigRedBuster]

1 hour ago, DevoHusker said:

 

@LorewarnThat is what I said. My reference was Nationally or on social media. I should have clarified. 

But, yet you agree with it.  You said.  

 

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I saw this somewhere over the weekend, and thought it was pretty accurate:

 

[DevoHusker]

53 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

But, yet you agree with it.  You said.  

 

 

Yes, that's right, on a National or social media level I do.

 

Central Nebraskans tend to take everyone in stride, at least in my experience.

[Lorewarn]

12 minutes ago, DevoHusker said:

Yes, that's right, on a National or social media level I do.

 

Central Nebraskans tend to take everyone in stride, at least in my experience.

 

 

In my experience living a number of different places and traveling to most all of the others, most anyone in any part of the country tends to take everyone in stride in the real world, and those exact same people are fools on social media. Myself included.

[Archy1221]

20 hours ago, DevoHusker said:

 

 

[deedsker]

6 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

 

He disparaged the president of the company. When that gets unearthed you will find employment goes away quickly. 

[Archy1221]

56 minutes ago, deedsker said:

He disparaged the president of the company. When that gets unearthed you will find employment goes away quickly. 

Interesting that’s the only bad thing to come out.  

[BigRedBuster]

2 hours ago, DevoHusker said:

Yes, that's right, on a National or social media level I do.

 

Central Nebraskans tend to take everyone in stride, at least in my experience.

If you lived in central Nebraska your would know. 

 

sorry, couldn’t resist. J/k
 

I find people I know hear believe everything evil said about anyone with a D behind their name. 

[Archy1221]

More “rules for thee but not for me” from the Democrat Overlords.