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2 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

A few questions:

 

1). Do you think that an rape allegation being reported to the police is something that is serious enough for a Suoegrindendent to know about?  

Of course, but that doesn't mean the police told the superintendent or the school district about an investigation. We don't know the details of who knew and who didn't. And we don't know if the superintendent or the school board was asked not to talk about the investigation even if they did know. If they knew, then denying it was the wrong thing to do though, and I agree there should be consequences.

 

2 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

2)  The bathrooms were remodeled to allow boys to use the girls bathroom and vise versa as I read and understand it.  That policy allowed this “twice alleged” predator to do what he did.  Less safe wouldn’t you say.   

The remodel was to make non-gender bathrooms with individual access, so it would be safer as only 1 student would be in each stall/room at a time. (Although I haven't seen any diagrams or specifics on the bathrooms, so I'm assuming that's how they'd be remodled as it's the only thing that makes sense based on what they're trying to do. If there's evidence that the bathrooms would be less safe, I'd ike to see it.) But the alleged rape occurred before the remodel or even the vote on the remodel, so there's no way a policy that had not yet been enacted could allow something to have happened in the past.

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31 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

This is the same thing. 

Exactly. 

 

Just because you don't regard minorities as lesser - which I'm glad that @B.B. Hemingway does not do - it still misses the point of what systemic racism does.

 

Do liberals overplay the impact? Perhaps. But systemic racism is present in many aspects of society, it's important to acknowledge that. 

 

As far as homosexuality, it's clearly natural and evolutionary. If you're curious, read up on Bonobos - a close relative of Chimpanzees and humans - and how that species uses sex in its society (hint: homosexuality is extremely present in that animal. Sex is also used by females in interesting ways that explains a lot of sexual evolution in humans as well).

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2 hours ago, B.B. Hemingway said:

A video game has entered the race to woke.

 

 

I don’t play Madden, but I will assume those that do will not see any players on the game who were convicted of domestic battery, drug offenses, or  with social media posts referencing Asians, Black, or Whites in a negative fashion?  

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2 hours ago, knapplc said:

 

Joe Rogan, a liar, calls CNN liars. 

 

I think it's clear where your loyalties lie (no pun intended), but the bigger sin here is Rogan's anti-vaxx propaganda, not in CNN (correctly) reporting that the horse dewormer isn't a prescribed treatment for Covid.

You meant to say incorrectly reporting that Joe Rogan took horse dewormer.  That’s ok though.  We know where your loyalties lie 

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15 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

Of course, but that doesn't mean the police told the superintendent or the school district about an investigation. We don't know the details of who knew and who didn't.

Well, we do know the Principal (Or someone very high up the food chain in that school knew.  It’s the law.  
 

With that said, regardless of what a poster believes here, sexual assault on school property doesn’t happen that often and this type of gross assault in particular happens rarely.  If that report didn’t make it up the food chain to the Superintendent, I would have major issues on why that isn’t in the SOP for the district.   I actually find it hard to believe he didn’t know. 
 

also keep in mind, he said this (from an already linked to dailymail article) 'I think it’s important to keep our perspective on this, we’ve heard it several times tonight from our public speakers but the predator transgender student or person simply does not exist,' he said

 

That person did exist and is up on charges for doing it twice now.  

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1 minute ago, Archy1221 said:

Well, we do know the Principal (Or someone very high up the food chain in that school knew.  It’s the law.  

What law? Like I said, if there's evidence that the superintendent knew, then let's talk about that. I just haven't seen it, but I could easily have missed it.

 

1 minute ago, Archy1221 said:

With that said, regardless of what a poster believes here, sexual assault on school property doesn’t happen that often and this type of gross assault in particular happens rarely.

I'm skeptical that sexual assault happen all the time as suggested in an earlier post or that they're as rare as you're suggesting. 

 

1 minute ago, Archy1221 said:

 If that report didn’t make it up the food chain to the Superintendent, I would have major issues on why that isn’t in the SOP for the district.   I actually find it hard to believe he didn’t know. 

It's possible, but it's also possible that the police don't reveal active investigations. I just don't know the truth of any of what you're asserting without evidence. 

1 minute ago, Archy1221 said:

also keep in mind, he said this (from an already linked to dailymail article) 'I think it’s important to keep our perspective on this, we’ve heard it several times tonight from our public speakers but the predator transgender student or person simply does not exist,' he said

You conveniently snipped out the parts of my post that addressed this. Here's my post with the part you left out bolded:

31 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

Of course, but that doesn't mean the police told the superintendent or the school district about an investigation. We don't know the details of who knew and who didn't. And we don't know if the superintendent or the school board was asked not to talk about the investigation even if they did know. If they knew, then denying it was the wrong thing to do though, and I agree there should be consequences.

 

1 minute ago, Archy1221 said:

That person did exist and is up on charges for doing it twice now.  

Can you point to the investigation or guilty verdict showing this to be true? As I've said repeatedly, we don't actually know the facts of the case.

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4 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

What law?

The law referenced in the LCPS own recent statement 

 

5 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

or that they're as rare as you're suggesting

Reported ones are which we know because they are reported and numbers are tabulated.   Unreported ones we will never know obviously.  
 

6 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

It's possible, but it's also possible that the police don't reveal active investigations.

Police have nothing to do with it.  The school should be or probably did report to the Superintendent.  If they didn’t, that seems like a major issue to me.  
 

8 minutes ago, RedDenver said:
17 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

 

Can you point to the investigation or guilty verdict showing this to be true?

There is no guilty verdict as of yet because the first trial was set for mid October, and the story confirms that person is being held for another sexual assault since the original happened.  

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5 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Simply amazing.  And we all knew this was coming.  Well at least those of us living in reality land knew.  

Huh?

 

"Remember when we said the statues were 'next' and the media said we were crazy?  Well here's an article that literally says the statues ARE NOT NEXT in the headline!"

 

He sure did show us...

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I'm just now reading about the case in Loudoun County Virginia that @Archy1221 and @RedDenver are bickering about. It seems to me like some people on the right are going through efforts to conflate a sexual assault case with transgender rights issues. Even the tweet that Archy originally posted from the Daily Mail referred to the setting as a "woke school board meeting." Other right-wing reports of this incident such as this NY Post article give on obviously biased slant to the story that the dad is being unfairly vilified, refers to speakers at the board meeting as "anti-Jesus," and so on. 

 

But the sexual assault case, and the dad's arrest, has nothing to do with transgender policies or being "woke" or any of the other right-wing crap being tied to this situation. 

 

First of all, sexual assault is horrific and should be taken very seriously. It looks like the daughter's assault was reported and investigated:

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https://www.dailydot.com/debug/conservatives-cover-up-loudoun-county-transgender-student-rape/
Police confirmed that a sexual assault was reported in May as Smith alleges, the local ABC News affiliate reports.
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It is true that the school hasn’t released details about the incident, but the school says this is because student privacy rules prohibit it from doing so. It also says that school board members didn’t know about the allegation until recently.

On Wednesday, the school said that due to students’ privacy rights, it cannot reveal details about individual student’s actions, the ABC outlet reports. It also said that board members aren’t typically informed of disciplinary matters.

 

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https://dutytoamericanews.com/2021/10/12/man-arrested-at-loudoun-county-school-board-meeting-says-officials-covered-up-his-daughters-rape/
After the alleged attack, the administration called Smith to come to the school and told him it would handle the incident “in-house.” When he began to make a scene, as any outraged parent would, he says the school called police officers on him and it was only after he managed to avoid getting arrested that he convinced police to escort his daughter to the hospital to have a rape kit administered.

 

So to say, as the Daily Mail article did, that the staff did nothing, is false. As Archy and Denver have argued about, we don't know a lot of other facts. It makes sense why details of the case would not be released publicly and that the school board would not be aware. As far as the superintendent being aware? I would honestly expect that he would have been informed to some extent. But even if he was, he would not be at liberty to talk about it and would certainly not be intimately involved in the investigation.

 

Now, I still don't understand what any of the above has to do with transgender rights and bathroom policies. Sexual assault are obvious legal and policy violations regardless of which bathroom you use or what clothes you wear, and there is no evidence that gender-neutral bathrooms lead to increases in assaults. Conflating sexual assault concerns with transgender issues is a tired and often-used right wing boogyman. Using gender inclusive pronouns has no bearing on this issue whatsoever, either.

 

So why did dad get arrested? Watch the video: he gets into some sort of argument with a woman (audio can't be heard), and the police try to calm him down. Dad is the one who starts fighting with police, who then take him down. Then he "continued struggling and arguing with them, threatening to kick their teeth out." He was ultimately convicted of resisting arrest and disturbing the peace. So are the police and judge now part of the woke mob as well? 

 

A parent's anger about their daughter being assaulted is justified. Horrible. However, the dad's actions certainly did not do her case any favors, and based on the facts that we know, I'm not sure I can identify something that should have been done differently, other than the dad conducting himself appropriately at the school board meeting, or just staying home. If this whole issue is actually about sexual assault and protecting students, based on the facts that we actually know, what should be done differently here?

 

On a side note, since political divisions are at the heart of this discussion, I am guessing that the Blue Lives Matter crowd and Trump supporters (since those are the folks who have tended to protest at school board meetings this year) are ironically on the side of the dad who fought with and threatened police officers. Also, since we were discussing Title IX policies the other day, it was the Trump Administration that actually made it more difficult to investigate and reach a finding in sexual assault and sexual harassment cases, as a result of the new Title IX regulations last year (that is a general statement, as I admittedly don't see how that would have actually impacted this particular case). 

 

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