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50 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

Peak ridiculousness i that notion that Russia is constrained under Trump/Republicans generally and only aggressive under Democrats because they're more afraid of the tougher Republicans

I don’t know what Russia is afraid of, but a history book will tell you Russia was not restrained under Obama or The BIG Guy! 

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52 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

GOP electeds realize these dynamics and exploit them for their own benefit because their voters are stupid enough to believe this crap. They're not advancing Russian interests because they care about Russia. They just know their voters are utter rubes and they're happy to make them useful idiots if it keeps them in their cushy Washington gigs.

It seems you are now changing the argument to say it’s the Republican voters who wish our politicians would make policy that is good for Russia and not good for USA.   Oh, ok…seems not so legit, but go with what you think……I guess. 

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1 hour ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

Ooops what?  So a few more Republicans have a warped sense of political partisanship than Democrats? 
 

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/26/poll-trump-russia-ukraine-white-house

 


That study said 92% of Republicans had a negative view of Biden while 81% had a negative view of Putin. Among Democrats, 87% had a negative view of Trump and 85% a negative view of Putin.

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Archy so narrowly defined the question to be framed as Republicans actively and consciously supporting the success of Russia ahead of the success of the United States.

 

Shame on y'all for taking the bait on that, but I digress. It's not as if the GOP at large is pro Russian interests of their own volition. It's moreso that they're too stupid to realize the bedfellows they are happy to welcome in and the dangers and implications of the wolf at the door who looks like grandma who pinky promises she will keep lil Red from the gay trans athlete coastal elites.

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12 hours ago, Lorewarn said:

 

Archy so narrowly defined the question to be framed as Republicans actively and consciously supporting the success of Russia ahead of the success of the United States.

 

It wasn’t me who defined it if you were paying attention. 
 

 

“It’s also a problem when one party actively is working for Russia so that they help them get elected. And, their actions go against our best interests.”

 

 

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In a nutshell, Archy.

 

Early in his Presidency, Donald Trump stood next to Vladimir Putin and told the world he trusted Putin over the unanimous conclusion of his 17 U.S. intelligence agencies. 

 

Republicans anxious to support Trump quickly began softening longstanding rhetoric around Putin and Russia. Fox News was already on board, its pundits having aired segments showing the shirtless Putin and wishing aloud Obama was this manly and commanding. Trump gets blustery about NATO not paying its bill, not quite understanding how the agreement works. Putin joins a list of other world leaders, including Viktor Orban, admired for their autocratic rule rather than democratic principals. Next thing you know, Fox pundits, farther right media, and elected Republicans are wondering if Russia is the real victim in the Ukraine war.

 

Yada yada yada...Tucker Carlson goes to Moscow, declares it nicer than any American city, expresses his disgust for the United States, and gives Putin the hand-picked platform he wanted. Tucker is currently on a short list for either Vice-President or Secretary of State in a second Trump term. 

 

Bada-bing, bada boom. It's not just two douchebags in t-shirts. 

 

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

It wasn’t me who defined it if you were paying attention. 
 

 

It’s also a problem when one party actively is working for Russia so that they help them get elected. And, their actions go against our best interests. 

 

 

 

 

22 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

You truly believe... the Republican Party is trying to advance Russian priorities at the expense of US priorities?  That they want more than anything here, for Russia to be a better country than the US?  That when choosing what’s better for the US or Russia, they would choose Russia?   

 

 

You added a whole bunch of conjecture on top of the statement you quoted, primarily in regards to the wanting and the choosing.

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1 hour ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

In a nutshell, Archy.

 

Early in his Presidency, Donald Trump stood next to Vladimir Putin and told the world he trusted Putin over the unanimous conclusion of his 17 U.S. intelligence agencies. 

 

Republicans anxious to support Trump quickly began softening longstanding rhetoric around Putin and Russia. Fox News was already on board, its pundits having aired segments showing the shirtless Putin and wishing aloud Obama was this manly and commanding. Trump gets blustery about NATO not paying its bill, not quite understanding how the agreement works. Putin joins a list of other world leaders, including Viktor Orban, admired for their autocratic rule rather than democratic principals. Next thing you know, Fox pundits, farther right media, and elected Republicans are wondering if Russia is the real victim in the Ukraine war.

 

Yada yada yada...Tucker Carlson goes to Moscow, declares it nicer than any American city, expresses his disgust for the United States, and gives Putin the hand-picked platform he wanted. Tucker is currently on a short list for either Vice-President or Secretary of State in a second Trump term. 

 

Bada-bing, bada boom. It's not just two douchebags in t-shirts. 

 

 

 

 

Agree that a bit of what you said is relevant to the  point.  Others might think the rest doesn’t pertain to the discussion at hand or is kinda false.

 

Trump was falsely accused by people Democrats and Never Trumpers working within those 17 IC agencies of conspiring with Russia to win 2016 election.   Which has been proven to be absurdly false which we all know now and agree to.  
 

I do agree that’s it’s strange to politically flex on another party by saying some foreign leader is so  much tougher than what we have.  We know why they do it, (for the partisan media likes and social media hits and fanfare) but it’s ridiculous none the less.
 

Whether or not Trump knows how NATO works, it was common knowledge many countries were getting an almost free security ride paid for by the good ol USA. As you know, NATO funding stepped up after Trumps pressure campaign.
 

I don’t know what Fox pundits say unless Buster posts it here, I don’t watch cable news of any kind anymore.  I would have to see a relevant political pundit say Russia is the victim before acknowledging your statement as true.   
 

Tucker is a buffoon for his statements about Moscow and he is getting roundly mocked for them.  As he should.  
 

And yes, two dolts in a HAHA shirt does not equate to GOP lawmakers actively trying to set policy for Russia instead of our interests which was the original thesis by someone

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21 hours ago, Archy1221 said:


 

And yes, two dolts in a HAHA shirt does not equate to GOP lawmakers actively trying to set policy for Russia instead of our interests which was the original thesis by someone

 

Like I said, it's more of a softening rather than blatant pro-Putin agenda, although that softening has consequences, including a changing rhetoric on Ukraine that is increasingly dividing Republican lawmakers. (Trump himself has called Putin's invasion "smart" and "savvy" and said Putin could do whatever he wanted against any NATO ally caught slacking, and he's the leading candidate to be President fwiw). 

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/how-stalled-u-s-aid-for-ukraine-exemplifies-gops-softening-stance-on-russia

 

I do think foreign aid is the hot potato it's always been, asking U.S. taxpayers to simply accept the expenditure of billions to fight murky and often unresolvable wars. If Congress were to open the books on our commitment to Ukraine and Israel at the same time, things could get interesting. Demanding that the U.S. no longer serve as the world's policeman creates an odd coalition of the Left and Right, and would likely signal the end of the American empire.  I doubt that we're going there, myself. 

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