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..I’ve been looking to see if Phillip has been told to pound sand yet...anyone heard...? His 45% body fat linemen is a stand-alone metric itself, on top of the obvious evidence the whole country already saw..no core push power whatsoever...and Our D line get shoved to side like a HS JV squad...I heard all the hype about stoltenburg in offseason how “strong” he got...BS..he gets moved aside like a tree that looks the part but has NO trunk whatsoever..

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6 minutes ago, lo country said:

I havent heard.  From just reading around, I'd ASSume he will bring Duval with him.  Strong NU ties...

 

Good article here:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/ucf-knights/os-ucf-football-strength-program-0807-20160806-story.html

 

 

 

Great stuff.  I hope he's on our staff here.

 

 

 

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39 minutes ago, Depressed Husker said:

..I’ve been looking to see if Phillip has been told to pound sand yet...anyone heard...? His 45% body fat linemen is a stand-alone metric itself, on top of the obvious evidence the whole country already saw..no core push power whatsoever...and Our D line get shoved to side like a HS JV squad...I heard all the hype about stoltenburg in offseason how “strong” he got...BS..he gets moved aside like a tree that looks the part but has NO trunk whatsoever..

 

I'm certainly no doctor, but I think our lineman being 45% body fat isn't exactly correct and may be off by a few percentage points.  Anatomically speaking, is 45% body fat even possible?

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17 minutes ago, southernoregonhusker said:

Frost already said there were going to be big changes in the weightroom.  

IIRC, he said in the presser that we would work in the weight room to be the strongest and no one would out work NU....Love it.

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I trained at xplosive edge in Omaha when Zach and his brother gibbe ran the place and it was awesome. Great environment and they knew their stuff, down to a science like that article said. All my athletic measurable jumped off the charts in about 3-4 months. I shed about .3 off my 40, gained I believe around 4 inches in my vert and learned how to recover right. 

 

Also, When I was there Jamie Belt who is on the SC team at NU right now was there, so I foresee him being a hold over from the previous staff. 

 

I hope Zach Duval gets brought in, this is his dream job too and he deserves it.

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27 minutes ago, Making Chimichangas said:

 

I'm certainly no doctor, but I think our lineman being 45% body fat isn't exactly correct and may be off by a few percentage points.  Anatomically speaking, is 45% body fat even possible?

It's possible, but they're not that bad

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2 hours ago, southernoregonhusker said:

Of course, all of this begs this question:  What in the hell has Epley been doing?

Exactly.  I felt good when I read a few seasons back that Epley was back on board. I assumed that the conditioning of the team would improve with his return, when it seems to have slipped the last few years .

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11 minutes ago, secretasianman said:

Exactly.  I felt good when I read a few seasons back that Epley was back on board. I assumed that the conditioning of the team would improve with his return, when it seems to have slipped the last few years .

How much of that is the culture under RIley? Lack of accountability and lack of drive. Only so much he can do if the players aren't in the weight room.

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6 minutes ago, Sparker said:

How much of that is the culture under RIley? Lack of accountability and lack of drive. Only so much he can do if the players aren't in the weight room.

If the players have been slacking off in the weight room that could take a while to correct.  It takes time to build strength.

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3 minutes ago, 4skers89 said:

If the players have been slacking off in the weight room that could take a while to correct.  It takes time to build strength.

Yeah but being demanding in the weight room and on the practice field is a great tool to weed out players who don’t want to commit to the new way of doing things. That’s a great way of opening up schollies for new recruits. 

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1 minute ago, 4skers89 said:

If the players have been slacking off in the weight room that could take a while to correct.  It takes time to build strength.

Absolutely.

 

And I'm not trying to make any statements, I've never been to the weight room. Not even sure what you do there.

 

I just wondered if the blame isn't more on the soft culture under Riley.

 

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16 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Yeah but being demanding in the weight room and on the practice field is a great tool to weed out players who don’t want to commit to the new way of doing things. That’s a great way of opening up schollies for new recruits. 

True.  My thought was that if most of the Jr & Sr linemen haven't been serious in the weight room, a single off-season won't get them to where they should be.  I'm not expecting to see noticeable improvements in that area for a few years.

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4 hours ago, Making Chimichangas said:

 

I'm certainly no doctor, but I think our lineman being 45% body fat isn't exactly correct and may be off by a few percentage points.  Anatomically speaking, is 45% body fat even possible?

I’m pretty sure it’s possible lol.  But yeah this seems like a slight exaggeration

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14 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

I honestly do not understand how you can have Elliot and Phillip in this department and have troubles here. 

 

It baffles me. 

 

 


It's possible that part of the issue might have been not pushing the concept of off-season voluntary workouts and the amount of time spent on S&T during Spring/Fall camp, maybe not so much the plan inside the weight room. 

It seems evident that the work ethic just hasn't been there in all facets these last three years. 

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Remember last season when we were winning games in the 4th quarter by pounding the rock and that was bc/ of strength and conditioning.

Funny how a losing season changes internet opinions of things that didn't really change.

 

Also, with every new staff, every fall we get new articles full of player interviews about how this summer was different. They worked harder, new programs, new accountability. They're stronger and more driven and in better shape.  I look forward to reading those in August of 2018.

 

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I wonder how many players will realize that coach is in the weight room working out in the mornings and might be taking mental notes on who else is there.  The guy poked his old team mates about being out of shape and mentioned he's been busy but needs to work out.  Frost will get some sleep, then probably workout each day while recruiting, spending time with family, moving, adjusting to a new job, and getting another team ready to face Auburn.

 

What's the team's excuse for skipping a workout?  Studying for finals and visiting grandma's house over Christmas.  They don't have a game to worry about.  It might be a good time to take the initiative and talk to the new strength and conditioning staff about what they should be doing starting tomorrow.  It won't be easier if they wait and gain some unneeded pounds over Christmas break.

 

Excuses aren't going to fly anymore.

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4 minutes ago, macroboy said:

Remember last season when we were winning games in the 4th quarter by pounding the rock and that was bc/ of strength and conditioning.

Funny how a losing season changes internet opinions of things that didn't really change.

 

 

The point you're making is well taken, honestly.

But what about this angle? The team we fielded in 2016 wasn't good enough to beat Wisconsin and got blown out by Iowa. So even that level of play isn't good enough. Actually, it's nowhere close to being good enough.

We need our players in the kind of shape where we're beating the top teams in the conference in all four quarters. That's the goal. So forget whatever 2017 or 2016 looked like; we're aiming much, MUCH higher than that now with Frost's work ethic at the helm.

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7 minutes ago, Undone said:

 

The point you're making is well taken, honestly.

But what about this angle? The team we fielded in 2016 wasn't good enough to beat Wisconsin and got blown out by Iowa. So even that level of play isn't good enough. Actually, it's nowhere close to being good enough.

We need our players in the kind of shape where we're beating the top teams in the conference in all four quarters. That's the goal. So forget whatever 2017 or 2016 looked like; we're aiming much, MUCH higher than that now with Frost's work ethic at the helm.

 

I don't disagree. This team was soft as cookie dough. Wisconsin ran on us 17 straight time, or something like that, and we couldn't stop it. Ouyr running game was junk bc/ there were very few holes to run through.

 

My point was more about us, and the internets than anything else.

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17 hours ago, Sparker said:

How much of that is the culture under RIley? Lack of accountability and lack of drive. Only so much he can do if the players aren't in the weight room.

I think you nailed it.. Riley did not know first thing about accountably.. he was concerned with being “friends” with players ..

that doesn’t work in organizational leadership.. especially with 18-22 year olds .. I never heard a former Osborne and McBride player at the time they playing call coach O or McBride their “friend” ...

 

and im persuaded the second part of problem is the players themselves.. they have not mad

dog, lunatics like Peters Brothers and Zach Weigert who were known to “push”  the team.. literally if needed.. we don’t have a man that steps up as THE alpha as says this is what we WILL do....we WILL hit folks and get back to de cleating opponents .. 

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It's also possible that part of the problem is that "Poor S&C" is an easy imaginary scapegoat to blame as inadequate under the old staff, and a good talking point for the new staff. It happens every single time you go through a coaching change. I've seen it happen on Huskerboard when Pelini, and Riley, and now Frost came in. 

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6 minutes ago, Depressed Husker said:

I think you nailed it.. Riley did not know first thing about accountably.. he was concerned with being “friends” with players ..

that doesn’t work in organizational leadership.. especially with 18-22 year olds .. I never heard a former Osborne and McBride player at the time they playing call coach O or McBride their “friend” ...

 

and im persuaded the second part of problem is the players themselves.. they have not mad

dog, lunatics like Peters Brothers and Zach Weigert who were known to “push”  the team.. literally if needed.. we don’t have a man that steps up as THE alpha as says this is what we WILL do....we WILL hit folks and get back to de cleating opponents .. 

Benning made comments today about how the team reacted when the S&C staff changed things they did in the weight room.  He didn't go into a lot of specifics, but he mentioned how they focused less on bench pressing, more on higher reps, doing core work, switching workout partners, etc.  The two things that I took from his comments are this:

 

1.  The team needed to have trust in their coaches and S&C staff in order to buy-in to switching their S&C programs.  Without that trust, the players would have been like "this isn't going to work, let's not do this".

2.  The new workouts were pretty grueling, and the players really had to pump themselves up before going into the weight room and depend on their workout partners to make it through the workouts.  That brings up the point of accountability.

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5 minutes ago, Landlord said:

It's also possible that part of the problem is that "Poor S&C" is an easy imaginary scapegoat to blame as inadequate under the old staff, and a good talking point for the new staff. It happens every single time you go through a coaching change. I've seen it happen on Huskerboard when Pelini, and Riley, and now Frost came in. 

I agree that it happens with every coaching change, but S&C is one of the first things to go when a coach starts to lose a team.  The work in the weight room is the hard thing to do.  Going to practice and doing film study is the easy thing to do.

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...I’ve never played college football, however the theory and ideology  I was indoctrinated into during a career in US Army Special Forces is same in principle..it’s human nature to get and stay in ones “comfort zone” unless individual, key word individual, lights his own fire and breaks out of comfort zone..we trained to a professional fitness level in a sense, and working out properly, does absolutely affect ones mind also..the battleground is the mind and it will become calloused and made stronger through intense workouts..

 

..i first just look at Riley’s offensive linemen, just their bodies appearance clearly show laziness in most of them..the extremely high body fat % is a object example of that individuals lack of commitment to performance...they are sloppy, guys hanging down..it shows a lack of individual effort in gym..until Mr Frost can recruit Individuals who can motivate themselves and don’t require a coach to get them up and pushing the limits..the same same weak performance on line will continue..I foresee a some of these lazy lineman that started this year, either never step on field again, or they go other way and finally acquire a fire to do the pancaking instead of being pancaked...however if they don’t posses the “want to” by now, they never will have it..

 

This reflects a group of men who decided first in their mind they desire to dominate opposition, then actually put desire into action..Mike Reilly’s lineman generally lack all these virtues..

 

...I remember Zack Weigert stating that He and other linemen looked forward to Saturday’s...because it was “a break from practice..”...

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4 hours ago, Landlord said:

It's also possible that part of the problem is that "Poor S&C" is an easy imaginary scapegoat to blame as inadequate under the old staff, and a good talking point for the new staff. It happens every single time you go through a coaching change. I've seen it happen on Huskerboard when Pelini, and Riley, and now Frost came in. 

It's equally possible that it's not an imaginary scapegoat.

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On 12/3/2017 at 5:27 PM, Stumpy1 said:

Duvall is the main man but was told Philipp might be staying on also in a different capacity.  

 

If this allows Philipp to learn the Duvall/New-NU ways (before he departs for another school's gig) then I'm all against it.

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Once again, I am on board with Depressed Husker (hopefully can change his board name toHappy Husker now we have Frost). The physiques of our offensive lineman do not demonstrate lots of hours in the weight room. I am not talking bulging biceps. But, there is a certain shape and size to arms that powerlifters and athletes who lift heavy have. Photos of not only the arms, but the overall physiques i.e. chest size, back width, thigh size of our lineman demonstrate something is seriously lacking in our strength program. Look at the photo Depressed Husker posted of the Pipeline compared to photos of our veteran lineman and it will tell you all you need to know. And no, you don’t need steroids to develop this type of physique that has true explosive power ready to be forced upon your opponent.

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2 hours ago, cheekygeek said:

 

If this allows Philipp to learn the Duvall/New-NU ways (before he departs for another school's gig) then I'm all against it.

Philipp is actually a really good S&C coach.  Don't let the field results fool you.  The only thing i have heard and dont care for is if the players met certain lifting goals, they didnt have to come in as often.  This wasn't a Philipps decision but one from higher up.  

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