Nebfanatic Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said: I literally said COMMITMENT from 2013 to CURRENT 2019 cycle. And I just proved that over the last 6 recruiting cycles they had more upper 3 star compared to lower. I know what you said but I don't know how '18 and '19 commits have contributed to their already great lines over the years. They will contribute to more in the future, but wisconsin has already put together great lines without those players. Your definition of a upper 3 star is different than mine. I count 4 upper 3 stars and 7 mid to lower 3 star or worse. Quote Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted May 16, 2018 Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said: I know what you said but I don't know how '18 and '19 commits have contributed to their already great lines over the years. They will contribute to more in the future, but wisconsin has already put together great lines without those players. Your definition of a upper 3 star is different than mine. I count 4 upper 3 stars and 7 mid to lower 3 star or worse. Upper: 86 and above Lower: 85 and below Quote Link to comment
Thanks_Tom RR Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 1 minute ago, StPaulHusker said: Lol. "backup" offer. You can't be a prisoner of the moment in recruiting. It is a 2-3 year process (sometimes longer). To get worked up about everyone offer (or lack of offer) will make you act like...ohhh...nevermind. It's like the Max Duggan situation. You can light a fire about it (e.g., "Duggan doesn't want to go to Nebraska" or "Nebraska will not do better if they miss on him"). However, as it is playing out, the staff seemed to cool on Duggan (as did other schools), and now, they are in a good position with a higher rated QB prospect (something some said would be impossible...). 1 Quote Link to comment
Nebfanatic Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said: Upper: 86 and above Lower: 85 and below Cool. My point remains the same. I don't care if we are offering a dancer from Brazil to come play tackle. This staff has shown they can develop players and they are going off some form of evaluation to extend an offer. We need a different approach along the Oline. We've had talent for years, we have it on the roster now, but that hasn't translated to a single memorable line over the past 15 years. We need to develop the guys we bring in. Quote Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted May 16, 2018 Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, Thanks_Tom RR said: You can't be a prisoner of the moment in recruiting. It is a 2-3 year process (sometimes longer). To get worked up about everyone offer (or lack of offer) will make you act like...ohhh...nevermind. It's like the Max Duggan situation. You can light a fire about it (e.g., "Duggan doesn't want to go to Nebraska" or "Nebraska will not do better if they miss on him"). However, as it is playing out, the staff seemed to cool on Duggan (as did other schools), and now, they are in a good position with a higher rated QB prospect (something some said would be impossible...). No one said it was going to be impossible for them to be in a better position with a higher rated QB if Duggan went elsewhere. C'mon Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 33 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said: eyeroll.gif Is that too hard of a question to answer? Or you don't want to pin yourself down? Quote Link to comment
ADS Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Well this is not what I expected when I saw this thread had blown up. Good work everyone. 3 Quote Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted May 16, 2018 Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 Just now, Mavric said: Is that too hard of a question to answer? Or you don't want to pin yourself down? It barely deserves a response. But I will oblige. The thing I asked specifics of is when people say things about a player and say stuff like, "He's our third option at this position." Or "We like him at DT instead of DE." And then I ask how they know this intimate detail. But, again, you're awfully silent when a poster says things like, "He starts day one" or "He is so underrated." Quote Link to comment
The Murphinator Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mavric said: Is that too hard of a question to answer? Or you don't want to pin yourself down? 1 Quote Link to comment
Thanks_Tom RR Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 31 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said: No one said it was going to be impossible for them to be in a better position with a higher rated QB if Duggan went elsewhere. C'mon Really?! Own your opinions, man. I am not getting paid to research and dig up all of your old posts to prove a point. Quote Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted May 16, 2018 Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Thanks_Tom RR said: Really?! Own your opinions, man. I am not getting paid to research and dig up all of your old posts to prove a point. I know I didn't say it was impossible. Nice try, though Quote Link to comment
Thanks_Tom RR Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 1 minute ago, StPaulHusker said: I know I didn't say it was impossible. Nice try, though Whatever, bro. I don't care enough to get into it. I will definitely agree with you about this offer not being a top prospect (as we both pointed out it is offer #47 not #1). This is not a "Day 1 guy" and will need to be developed; whether that means he is underrated or not, it does not really matter. He might have the frame (I am assuming based on his height) but will need to get into the weight room and on a meal plan before seeing playing time (maybe in his RS So year). That is up to the vision of the coaching staff about how they project guys, something many who want more linemen from Nebraska to be recruited have been saying has been lacking from past staff (e.g., Bryson Williams). Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 14 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said: But, again, you're awfully silent when a poster says things like, "He starts day one" or "He is so underrated." Because I'm not the thought police. People can have their own opinions and I don't feel the need to always shoot them down even if I disagree with them. Quote Link to comment
Thanks_Tom RR Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 1 hour ago, StPaulHusker said: Wisconsin is not lining up a bunch of walk ons on their OL. This is such a fallacy. From 2013 to the 2019 current cycle, Wisconsin has received commitments from: (1)5 star (2) 4 star rated 94 (4) 3 star rated 88-89 (3) 3 star rated 86-87 (2) 3 star rated below 86 (2) 2 star That's 14 OT's over the last 6+ cycles. Thought it would be interesting to look at OL recruitment under Chip Kelly for perspective (as that may be a better comparison to what Frost will emulate). From 2007 to the 2012 recruiting cycle, Oregon received commitments from: (0)5 star (6) 4 star rated 90-94 (1) 3 star rated 88-89 (3) 3 star rated 86-87 (5) 3 star rated below 86 (1) 2 star (3) Unrated That's 19 OL's over 6 cycles. Just for another reference point, Nebraska from 2013 to 2019 received commitments from: (0)5 star (3) 4 star rated 90-94 (4) 3 star rated 88-89 (5) 3 star rated 86-87 (9) 3 star rated below 86 (0) 2 star (0) Unrated That's 21 in 6+ cycles. 3 Quote Link to comment
The Murphinator Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Mavric said: Because I'm not the thought police. People can have their own opinions and I don't feel the need to always shoot them down even if I disagree with them. Amen. All the arguing and debating gets old after a while. There is no need to question every post. Quote Link to comment
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