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4 minutes ago, KingBlank said:

It affects you zero, you know what is hilarious about this?  The fact that people still whine about how Bo was so bad and a butthat, hated fans (false narrative), ect.  But Mike was such a great guy, until he steals money from the University.  You people are the most two timing bunch of fans in the world. 

Mike isn’t stealing anything from the university.  On its face, he isn’t honoring the contract.

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Just now, StPaulHusker said:

I assume he isn’t clueless?  I’ll live with it

This whole thread you've been running with the idea Mike and OSU are trying game the system and get more money out of Nebraska than he should be getting. So it seems to me you are assuming he is clueless, because only a complete idiot would try and do that. 

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1 minute ago, StPaulHusker said:

Mike isn’t stealing anything from the university.  On its face, he isn’t honoring the contract.

I am right there with you, many seem to be struggling with the contract. No matter how many times you word it they think we are just upset about the $$$. I just want to know the contract is being followed. Most people don't get 6 million severance for getting fired. So I see no reason to pay more out of NU pocket if not necessary 

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14 hours ago, Moiraine said:

I know I shouldn't announce this but I'm drunk.

 

I make more than a Nebraska former head coach now.

 

AWESOME!

Dilly Dilly 

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11 hours ago, LaunchCode said:

This thread cracks me up.  So many people fired up and demanding action without even questioning or wanting to know what all the facts of the matter are.  Good lord I hope I"m never wrongly accused of a crime and end up with a jury who decides innocence and guilt before the testimony even begins. 

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MR doesn't use an agent, if he was trying to milk dollars from anyone he'd have an agent.  He also wouldn't have stayed at OSU as long as he did when better more lucrative offers came his way if he put that high a priority on money.  I'm willing to bet he's had communication with N during this process and has no problem with setting an offset for his N contract at a reasonable salary amount for his new position something like 250k even though he's getting paid 50K. 

 

That said, lets be clear here, it wasn't MR who broke the contract in the first place, it was N who broke it by not honoring the specified contractual period he was to be HC, a time period both agreed upon when signing the contract.  The contract is there to protect both parties.  Once Nebraska decided not to live up to their end of the contract they knew the consequences and the price tag and now need to live up to what they agreed upon. 

You're still wrong. 

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44 minutes ago, HuskerNBigD said:

You're still wrong. 

The real story here is, few are questioning, or complaining about the fact our newly hired coach was given a 7 year contract at 5 million a year which is the 3rd highest salary in the B1G.

 

So if you're crying over a couple hundred thousand dollars a year(we may or may not be overpaying MR), and yet not infuriated that we  just entered into an all or nothing deal that will cripple N football if it doesn't work out then it's obvious your true concern is NOT about the money.  It's one thing to be optimistic and confident in SF, entirely another from a business standpoint to bet the farm on it. 

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, LaunchCode said:

The real story here is, few are questioning, or complaining about the fact our newly hired coach was given a 7 year contract at 5 million a year which is the 3rd highest salary in the B1G.

 

So if you're crying over a couple hundred thousand dollars a year(we may or may not be overpaying MR), and yet not infuriated that we  just entered into an all or nothing deal that will cripple N football if it doesn't work out then it's obvious your true concern is NOT about the money.  It's one thing to be optimistic and confident in SF, entirely another from a business standpoint to bet the farm on it. 

 

 

 

Wrong.

1) 5 million a year is the going rate of a quality football coach these days. We weren't getting a quality coach here for anything less than 4 Mil. 

2) 5 million a year is peanuts compared to NUAD annual revenue. This contract will in no way cripple N football, and we in no way 'bet the farm' though if we were going to, now would be time and Frost would be the one to bet on.

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12 minutes ago, LaunchCode said:

The real story here is, few are questioning, or complaining about the fact our newly hired coach was given a 7 year contract at 5 million a year which is the 3rd highest salary in the B1G.

 

So if you're crying over a couple hundred thousand dollars a year(we may or may not be overpaying MR), and yet not infuriated that we  just entered into an all or nothing deal that will cripple N football if it doesn't work out then it's obvious your true concern is NOT about the money.  It's one thing to be optimistic and confident in SF, entirely another from a business standpoint to bet the farm on it. 

 

 

 

I was with you on the MR stance.

 

I couldn't disagree with you more on the SF stance. Nebraska is already on the verge of being crippled due to poor performance. I would have payed Scott double what he got to instill hope back in the fan base.  One more failed coach and this ship has sailed anyway.  Scott was the best coach available, and a perfect fit.  You do what you have to to hire him.

 

If the football team is good,  money will never be an issue.

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32 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

Wrong.

1) 5 million a year is the going rate of a quality football coach these days. We weren't getting a quality coach here for anything less than 4 Mil. 

2) 5 million a year is peanuts compared to NUAD annual revenue. This contract will in no way cripple N football.

At the time it was signed it was more than all but two B1G coaches.  Chryst, Fitzgerald, Ferentz, and Dantonia are all quality coaches and don't have as lucrative a contract.  7 years is a sign Moos believes it's going to take some time for a new coach to install and build his program and I agree with him.

 

What I meant by crippling N football if this doesn't workout for whatever reason was not entirely about the money aspect.  I'm certainly hoping things do work out, but if they don't the psychological blow to the program, fans, and boosters of shooting for the moon and getting the guy we wanted and then seeing it not workout will be a hard blow to overcome. You're right N could afford the buyout and a new coaches salary  as things stand today, but if SF doesn't succeed I'm afraid the toll that will take on the program will be significant in more respects than can be quantified at the moment. 

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20 minutes ago, LaunchCode said:

At the time it was signed it was more than all but two B1G coaches.  Chryst, Fitzgerald, Ferentz, and Dantonia are all quality coaches and don't have as lucrative a contract.  7 years is a sign Moos believes it's going to take some time for a new coach to install and build his program and I agree with him.

 

What I meant by crippling N football if this doesn't workout for whatever reason was not entirely about the money aspect.  I'm certainly hoping things do work out, but if they don't the psychological blow to the program, fans, and boosters of shooting for the moon and getting the guy we wanted and then seeing it not workout will be a hard blow to overcome. You're right N could afford the buyout and a new coaches salary  as things stand today, but if SF doesn't succeed I'm afraid the toll that will take on the program will be significant in more respects than can be quantified at the moment. 

If SF doesn't succeed Nebraska football is probably done.  It might have been 25 years since a conference title, and the odds of getting a good coach at that point would be slim.   The history sell would be gone, the sellout streak would be over and apathy would have set in for fans.

 

That is why you give Frost 7 years and I don't care how much money.  Give him whatever he needs. 

 

Riley stinking it up was what led to Moos being hired, and the timing worked out to get Frost. I don't give a flying fish what we are still paying Riley or what he makes at Oregon State. He could be sitting on his couch and we'd be on the hook for all of his buyout and none of you would care.  That is what you expect when you fire the coach, to have to pay his buyout.  Offsetting it at all is a bonus.

 

Now....back to the kool aid flowing because we hired the right coach for the first time in 20 years!

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Nebraska isn't going to be crippled financially if Scott Frost doesn't work out.  I am sure there was a big influx of season ticket requests and donations when he was hired, and NU was already making a boatload of cash every year.  If I have learned anything in the past 10-20 years is that the top college athletic departments have more money than they know what to do with.

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12 hours ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

You realize this is a message board and Riley's not going to jail, right?

His point is that in this thread most of the posters have already tried, convicted and executed Mike Riley before all the facts in this case come out.

 

I wouldn't want these posters to judge me because I'd never get a chance to defend myself before meeting the headsman's axe.

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Just now, Husker_Bohunk said:

His point is that in this thread most of the posters have already tried, convicted and executed Mike Riley before all the facts in this case come out.

 

I wouldn't want these posters to judge me because I'd never get a chance to defend myself before meeting the headsman's axe.

 

 

No they haven't.

 

There are literally no consequences for Riley. This is a message board where people say what pops into their head as it relates to Husker football. I don't think anyone's even called him an a****** yet.

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16 hours ago, Moiraine said:

I know I shouldn't announce this but I'm drunk.

 

I make more than a Nebraska former head coach now.

 

AWESOME!

I don't :(

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Nebraska football won't be 'done' even if it doesn't work out. Minny and Purdue are getting 50 million a year from the BIG. Minny and Purdue hired a quality coach. We will be fine regardless. I understand not competing on a national level may seem like the death of the program to some people, but it is actually far from it.

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37 minutes ago, Husker_Bohunk said:

 

Maybe we aren't reading the same thread then because that is exactly what I see.

 

 

So Riley is going to jail where, sometime in the future, he'll be put to death?

 

Or is it more likely this is a message board on the internet where people throw things out that pop into their heads and they would be more discerning if they were actually deciding a person's fate?

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31 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

Nebraska football won't be 'done' even if it doesn't work out. Minny and Purdue are getting 50 million a year from the BIG. Minny and Purdue hired a quality coach. We will be fine regardless. I understand not competing on a national level may seem like the death of the program to some people, but it is actually far from it.

No, turning into Minny or Purdue is being done for Nebraska football. Would you really be ok with fighting for a bowl every year and occasionally winning 8? 

 

If having stacks of cash but sucking is fine with you then great.  But it is not for the majority of us.  I would only have a passing interest at that point.

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9 minutes ago, runningblind said:

No, turning into Minny or Purdue is being done for Nebraska football. Would you really be ok with fighting for a bowl every year and occasionally winning 8? 

 

If having stacks of cash but sucking is fine with you then great.  But it is not for the majority of us.  I would only have a passing interest at that point.

Its not fine with me but those teams can still have an upward trajectory with the right people in place. The idea that if Frost fails Husker football is over is such hyperbole. I tend to find 'the sky is falling' takes pretty short sighted.

 

Some people have passion for the program despite the results.

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Too many folks on here think this is about just $$, it's not. The main issue is the contract states if Riley takes a job it needs to be at fair market value. The point of that clause is to prevent fired coaches from screwing their previous university by working for next to nothing at their new job. That clause was in there to protect Nebraska interests and offset buyout if he takes a new job. I am eager to find out if there is more behind the scenes between Riley and Nebraska, if not he is breaching the contract which if we don't hold people to the contract why have one? 

 

Nebraska is rich as hell but that doesn't mean we let Riley breach the contract. It's more about principle and less about $$.. we knew when we fired him he may not get another job and we pay the whole buyout- that would be fine. But if you are going to work somewhere- don't cheat 

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5 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

Its not fine with me but those teams can still have an upward trajectory with the right people in place. The idea that if Frost fails Husker football is over is such hyperbole. I tend to find 'the sky is falling' takes pretty short sighted.

 

Some people have passion for the program despite the results.

That passion won't last forever, that is the point I am making.  Another 5-7 years of failure would kill a good chunk of it.

 

Lumping every statement that isn't pumping sunshine into 'hyperbole' and  'the sky is falling' is short sighted. You can keep your head in the sand thinking everything will just stay the same until the end of time, that is fine,  but isn't reality.

 

All that said, I think Frost will do fine.

 

Last thing I will say about it.  

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On 1/12/2018 at 11:50 AM, ColoradoHusk said:

I think it's kinda funny that Riley is only making $50K.  It doesn't bother me at all that this isn't going to significantly reduce NU's payments to him.  Riley would probably be a volunteer coach at Oregon State, if it were allowed.

It is.  Tyrone Willingham became a volunteer coach at Stanford until his duties in the college football playoff committee took him elsewhere.  And it was coaching something he truly loved.

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9 hours ago, runningblind said:

That passion won't last forever, that is the point I am making.  Another 5-7 years of failure would kill a good chunk of it.

 

Lumping every statement that isn't pumping sunshine into 'hyperbole' and  'the sky is falling' is short sighted. You can keep your head in the sand thinking everything will just stay the same until the end of time, that is fine,  but isn't reality.

 

All that said, I think Frost will do fine.

 

Last thing I will say about it.  

Saying things like "if frost fails to succeed the program will be dead" is hyperbole to me, because it will in fact not be dead. So say what you want but we will still have a program 10 years from now no matter what happens. I don't think that position means i have my head in the sand. Good day

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On 1/12/2018 at 1:25 PM, Huskers93-97 said:
732 UCLA Pac-12 Scott White

$107,500

 

 

Scott White with UCLA was the lowest paid assistant coach in the PAC12 last year.

 

Not any more

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On 1/12/2018 at 11:02 PM, LaunchCode said:

This thread cracks me up.  So many people fired up and demanding action without even questioning or wanting to know what all the facts of the matter are.  Good lord I hope I"m never wrongly accused of a crime and end up with a jury who decides innocence and guilt before the testimony even begins. 

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MR doesn't use an agent, if he was trying to milk dollars from anyone he'd have an agent.  He also wouldn't have stayed at OSU as long as he did when better more lucrative offers came his way if he put that high a priority on money.  I'm willing to bet he's had communication with N during this process and has no problem with setting an offset for his N contract at a reasonable salary amount for his new position something like 250k even though he's getting paid 50K. 

 

That said, lets be clear here, it wasn't MR who broke the contract in the first place, it was N who broke it by not honoring the specified contractual period he was to be HC, a time period both agreed upon when signing the contract.  The contract is there to protect both parties.  Once Nebraska decided not to live up to their end of the contract they knew the consequences and the price tag and now need to live up to what they agreed upon. 

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/Thread....until, as Paul Harvey would say, we get the rest of the story.

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22 hours ago, Making Chimichangas said:

There seriously needs to be, in college football and in the private sector as well, a conversation about changing radically how people at the top, who FAIL are rewarded financially.  It is a complete load of bulls*** how an incompetent person like Mike Riley can go 19-19, fail miserably at every conceivable level, and still walk away with 12 million dollars.  My solution is: lower the base pay to a max cap of $1,000,000.  Then, give huge bonuses, even higher than what is offered now, that reward championships and success.  If a coach fails and is fired, he gets NOTHING except whatever base pay he is entitled to up to the point of being fired.  That's how it works in the real world for almost everyone (minus the bonuses for doing great in most cases).  Why should certain people be so richly rewarded for failure?  Makes no sense and it needs to change.

 

 

 

 

The conversation occurs every time a fan buys their tickets, makes a donation, demands or supports television coverage of their team or otherwise financially enables these ludicrous contracts. I think it's run amuck also but let's not act like there is a "conversation" to be had. It's free enterprise and apparently money is plentiful and common sense is woefully lacking. And, in this specific case, Nebraska had the opportunity to do due diligence and/or agree to a more favorable contract. They did neither and now have to pay for the poor choice, as they should have to.

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1 hour ago, Comfortably Numb said:

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/Thread....until, as Paul Harvey would say, we get the rest of the story.

Nebraska is still holding up their end of the contract.  Whether they fired him or not, they continue to pay.  It’s Riley who is not honoring the contract he signed that states he will find employment at a comparable salary to similar positions in whatever industry he elects to work.

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23 hours ago, Making Chimichangas said:

There seriously needs to be, in college football and in the private sector as well, a conversation about changing radically how people at the top, who FAIL are rewarded financially.  It is a complete load of bulls*** how an incompetent person like Mike Riley can go 19-19, fail miserably at every conceivable level, and still walk away with 12 million dollars.  My solution is: lower the base pay to a max cap of $1,000,000.  Then, give huge bonuses, even higher than what is offered now, that reward championships and success.  If a coach fails and is fired, he gets NOTHING except whatever base pay he is entitled to up to the point of being fired.  That's how it works in the real world for almost everyone (minus the bonuses for doing great in most cases).  Why should certain people be so richly rewarded for failure?  Makes no sense and it needs to change.

 

 

 

They get paid because that's what the market has dictated and what the coach was able to negotiate. It is outlandish to you and I, but it comes with the territory when running something that involves hundreds of millions of dollars.

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21 minutes ago, StPaulHusker said:

Nebraska is still holding up their end of the contract.  Whether they fired him or not, they continue to pay.  It’s Riley who is not honoring the contract he signed that states he will find employment at a comparable salary to similar positions in whatever industry he elects to work.

Actually you/we have absolutely no idea if he is honoring his contract or not. I suspect he is and we simply don't have all the info. And, if he is not, it will be up to our people to hold him accountable to a reasonable mitigating salary value. But it sure is a whole bunch of fun pretending that he could possibly be trying to pull one over on DONU.

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39 minutes ago, Comfortably Numb said:

Actually you/we have absolutely no idea if he is honoring his contract or not. I suspect he is and we simply don't have all the info. And, if he is not, it will be up to our people to hold him accountable to a reasonable mitigating salary value. But it sure is a whole bunch of fun pretending that he could possibly be trying to pull one over on DONU.

Yes.  Of course.  On its face it looks like the parameters of the contract are not being met

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2 hours ago, huKSer said:

 

Not any more

 

 

Scott White will always being the lowest paid Pac-12 coaching assistant in 2017.

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3 hours ago, Comfortably Numb said:

 

The conversation occurs every time a fan buys their tickets, makes a donation, demands or supports television coverage of their team or otherwise financially enables these ludicrous contracts. I think it's run amuck also but let's not act like there is a "conversation" to be had. It's free enterprise and apparently money is plentiful and common sense is woefully lacking. And, in this specific case, Nebraska had the opportunity to do due diligence and/or agree to a more favorable contract. They did neither and now have to pay for the poor choice, as they should have to.

 

My point is, going forward the kind of contract structure I am proposing (I think) should become the new norm.  It will take a bold AD to stand up and address the out-of-control arms race that college football has become.   

 

And to your point: I realize I am probably on the "losing end" of this argument because too many college football fans will pay whatever it costs.  The prevailing sentiment among college football fans seems to be: "Naw, let's just ride this bubble till it pops.'

 

The current system is unsustainable and the time to fix what's wrong, with minimal interruption, is before the crash.

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2 hours ago, mrandyk said:

They get paid because that's what the market has dictated and what the coach was able to negotiate. It is outlandish to you and I, but it comes with the territory when running something that involves hundreds of millions of dollars.

 

As a compromise, okay...keep paying these outrageous salaries but change how it works if a coach is fired.  If a coach is fired for failing, he should get NOTHING.  No more huge buyouts.  Structure the contract which spells out that failure will not be rewarded.  And it galls me to no end that the only way this bs continues is based off of the lazy notion that: "Well, it's always been done that way."  

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1 hour ago, Making Chimichangas said:

 

My point is, going forward the kind of contract structure I am proposing (I think) should become the new norm.  It will take a bold AD to stand up and address the out-of-control arms race that college football has become.   

 

And to your point: I realize I am probably on the "losing end" of this argument because too many college football fans will pay whatever it costs.  The prevailing sentiment among college football fans seems to be: "Naw, let's just ride this bubble till it pops.'

 

The current system is unsustainable and the time to fix what's wrong, with minimal interruption, is before the crash.

 

Oh I got your point and I agree with the sentiment but my point was that it's really in the hands of the consumer. It won't take a "brave" AD to change things as that would be career suicide. Just being realistic, it will take backlash from the consumer/fan and unfortunately I just don't see that happening in a wide enough swath to make a difference. But yeah, our values are screwed up and it's out of control.

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4 hours ago, Making Chimichangas said:

 

As a compromise, okay...keep paying these outrageous salaries but change how it works if a coach is fired.  If a coach is fired for failing, he should get NOTHING.  No more huge buyouts.  Structure the contract which spells out that failure will not be rewarded.  And it galls me to no end that the only way this bs continues is based off of the lazy notion that: "Well, it's always been done that way."  

If there's no guarantee that they'll have a job (or a buyout) next year, why would they want to commit? This was recently a big topic in South Dakota because until a couple years ago state employees could only have one-year contracts. USD and SDSU went D1 and eventually had coaching searches, and found that no qualified coach would agree to take a job without the promise of a multi-year contract. Rules were amended, and now coaches can be signed to a three-year contract.

 

It's really not a matter of "we've always done it that way". There are very good reasons why CEOs or D1 football coaches have multi-year contracts and buyouts. If you wanted to remove these golden parachutes you would have to shift them to an even higher salary on those annual contracts. Things are working just as they should. UNL needs to do 10 minutes of research before making a hire. (I think they hit homeruns in Moos and Frost, but there were a whole lot of disasters preceding Moos).

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9 minutes ago, mrandyk said:

If there's no guarantee that they'll have a job (or a buyout) next year, why would they want to commit? This was recently a big topic in South Dakota because until a couple years ago state employees could only have one-year contracts. USD and SDSU went D1 and eventually had coaching searches, and found that no qualified coach would agree to take a job without the promise of a multi-year contract. Rules were amended, and now coaches can be signed to a three-year contract.

 

It's really not a matter of "we've always done it that way". There are very good reasons why CEOs or D1 football coaches have multi-year contracts and buyouts. If you wanted to remove these golden parachutes you would have to shift them to an even higher salary on those annual contracts. Things are working just as they should. UNL needs to do 10 minutes of research before making a hire. (I think they hit homeruns in Moos and Frost, but there were a whole lot of disasters preceding Moos).

 

I'm all for multi-year contracts.  I am not for rewarding failure.  Sadly, I concede the point/debate because I realize that things will in fact continue until enough fans stand up and say no--and that will probably not happen for a very long time, if ever.

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16 hours ago, Making Chimichangas said:

 

I'm all for multi-year contracts.  I am not for rewarding failure.  Sadly, I concede the point/debate because I realize that things will in fact continue until enough fans stand up and say no--and that will probably not happen for a very long time, if ever.

The other caveat to consider is, in most cases, the coaches hold the power. It wouldn't take one bold AD to address the issue - it would take all of the major universities and ADs uniting under a common cause. Nebraska is a perfect case study in this regard. The university is so determined to start winning at a high level that they threw out their routine ~$3 million a year coaching salaries and went to $5 million a year. Frost also wanted to build some assurances into it by saying 'hey, this is a pretty big hurdle we've got here, so I want to be guaranteed a long time to fix this or you're going to have to pay out the ass to fire me.'

 

I'm totally on board with what you're saying conceptually, just to be clear. It's a weird position to be in but there are some pros depending which side of the fence you fall on.

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My guess is Riley just kind of got pushed-over (again).  OSU said "Hey, we really don't have to pay you much and you'll still get your full salary from Nebraska." 

 

And Riley just said "OK" and went with it.

 

I would guess there will be some "adjustment" by one side or the other in the next month or so.

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15 minutes ago, Mavric said:

My guess is Riley just kind of got pushed-over (again).  OSU said "Hey, we really don't have to pay you much and you'll still get your full salary from Nebraska." 

 

And Riley just said "OK" and went with it.

 

I would guess there will be some "adjustment" by one side or the other in the next month or so.

I'm hoping we just start sending him a jelly of a month and see if he notices the difference or says "golly gee how sweet of them"

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5 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

I'm hoping we just start sending him a jelly of a month and see if he notices the difference or says "golly gee how sweet of them"

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1 hour ago, Enhance said:

The other caveat to consider is, in most cases, the coaches hold the power. It wouldn't take one bold AD to address the issue - it would take all of the major universities and ADs uniting under a common cause. Nebraska is a perfect case study in this regard. The university is so determined to start winning at a high level that they threw out their routine ~$3 million a year coaching salaries and went to $7 million a year. Frost also wanted to build some assurances into it by saying 'hey, this is a pretty big hurdle we've got here, so I want to be guaranteed a long time to fix this or you're going to have to pay out the ass to fire me.'

 

I'm totally on board with what you're saying conceptually, just to be clear. It's a weird position to be but there are some pros depending which side of the fence you fall on.

I thought Frost was getting $5 million/year

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3 hours ago, Enhance said:

The other caveat to consider is, in most cases, the coaches hold the power. It wouldn't take one bold AD to address the issue - it would take all of the major universities and ADs uniting under a common cause. Nebraska is a perfect case study in this regard. The university is so determined to start winning at a high level that they threw out their routine ~$3 million a year coaching salaries and went to $5 million a year. Frost also wanted to build some assurances into it by saying 'hey, this is a pretty big hurdle we've got here, so I want to be guaranteed a long time to fix this or you're going to have to pay out the ass to fire me.'

 

I'm totally on board with what you're saying conceptually, just to be clear. It's a weird position to be in but there are some pros depending which side of the fence you fall on.

Completely correct. The market dictates the value. If 5 other ADs are willing to pay 5 million a year for the quality coaching candidates, it makes it impossible to change the status quo. Any program trying to do so won't be able to compete.

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15 hours ago, Enhance said:

The other caveat to consider is, in most cases, the coaches hold the power. It wouldn't take one bold AD to address the issue - it would take all of the major universities and ADs uniting under a common cause. Nebraska is a perfect case study in this regard. The university is so determined to start winning at a high level that they threw out their routine ~$3 million a year coaching salaries and went to $5 million a year. Frost also wanted to build some assurances into it by saying 'hey, this is a pretty big hurdle we've got here, so I want to be guaranteed a long time to fix this or you're going to have to pay out the ass to fire me.'

 

I'm totally on board with what you're saying conceptually, just to be clear. It's a weird position to be in but there are some pros depending which side of the fence you fall on.

 

Agree that theoretically what I am saying should happen.  Also agree that realistically it's probably a pipe dream.

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On 1/13/2018 at 9:09 AM, Making Chimichangas said:

There seriously needs to be, in college football and in the private sector as well, a conversation about changing radically how people at the top, who FAIL are rewarded financially.  It is a complete load of bulls*** how an incompetent person like Mike Riley can go 19-19, fail miserably at every conceivable level, and still walk away with 12 million dollars.  My solution is: lower the base pay to a max cap of $1,000,000.  Then, give huge bonuses, even higher than what is offered now, that reward championships and success.  If a coach fails and is fired, he gets NOTHING except whatever base pay he is entitled to up to the point of being fired.  That's how it works in the real world for almost everyone (minus the bonuses for doing great in most cases).  Why should certain people be so richly rewarded for failure?  Makes no sense and it needs to change.

 

 

 

 

Well this is what happens at the highest levels of society, but that might be for another forum. 

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Not sure if it's been mentioned yet - but Randy Shannon signed a 3 year contract as a DC (UCF).  Year's 1 and 2 are 300k, year 3 is 1mill.  All guaranteed.  Why the difference?  Florida's still paying him for 2 more years.

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