Healthcare Reform

[BigRedBuster]

I don't have a Washpo subscription to know what this "bombshell" was.  But, I'm very interested.  

 

 

[Ratt Mhule]

46 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

I don't have a Washpo subscription to know what this "bombshell" was.  But, I'm very interested.  

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/12/02/state-lawmakers-acknowledge-lobbyists-helped-craft-their-op-eds-attacking-medicare-for-all/

 

I didnt need a subscription to read it. Hopefully it works for you also. I assume this is what the tweet references. 

[schriznoeder]

3 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

Yeah....we're getting our money's worth.

 

 

 

The really sad thing is seeing some of the countries that fall in the gaps between the the Top-5 and the USA.

[Ratt Mhule]

 

[ZRod]

1 hour ago, Redux said:

 

Maybe if the healthcare problem were actually addressed instead of used as a campaign tool. Obama made it mandatory, fine.  But did nothing about holding the companies accountable about the insane prices.  People were opting to pay MORE taxes to not have coverage because the prices are so high.  That's insane as well.  I'm lucky enough to be in that range where it's totally unaffordable but make just barely too much money to get any sort of price break or hand out.  The parties using it as leverage, that's what's killing healthcare. 

 

Some of those policies were put into place by Obama, no?

This is a whole nother problem. Obamacare never really got a chance. The Republicans slit it's wrist from the very beginning so they could watch it bleed out as they point and say it failed. They started by getting states to be able to opt out of the Medicaid expansion meant to provide insurance for people near the poverty line, and also getting states to be able to opt out of setting up state insurance exchanges. The law was written without this opt out, so when the supreme Court ruled states could opt out it led to a gap in coverage where people aren't poor enough for Medicaid, but earn too little to afford unsubsidized health insurance. From my understanding it's also equally stupid because every tax payer/medical device company is still paying for expansion, but the states who opt out (pretty much all red States) never see that extra money and have to foot any potential bills for people in the gap themselves.

 

Next the GOP began withholding subsidies that were supposed to go to insurance companies to ease the burden of adding millions of sick people to their rolls. That would have helped to curb the price increases we see every year (but Obamacare did some how slow the acceleration of the price increases). It also led to the near death of many of the state exchanges, as it was not cost effective to even companies like BCBS.

 

Finally they cut the other wrist and elminated the mandate.

 

 

Yes, Obamacare never addressed the major issue of drug and medical procedure prices, it's biggest flaw in the eyes of everyone here, but it also never got a chance to do what it was intended to do either thanks to the grand ole party.

[Redux]

And you expected it to?  Unless the Democrats got a string of like 8 straight presidents it was never going to hold up.

[ZRod]

3 minutes ago, Redux said:

And you expected it to?  Unless the Democrats got a string of like 8 straight presidents it was never going to hold up.

It'd be nice if we could give progressive things a chance. It was a step in the right direction at the very least.

 

The GOP said they would implement something better, which would have been interesting to see, but their plan was to actually tear it down and do nothing.

[BigRedBuster]

9 hours ago, Redux said:

And you expected it to?  Unless the Democrats got a string of like 8 straight presidents it was never going to hold up.

You’re right. Every once in a while America elects a party to the WH that has absolutely no f#&%ing clue what is going on with healthcare....or they are so far in the pockets of the industry, that they destroy any progress that is made and we can’t have an honest discussion about it because all they do is yell ...SOCIALISM!!!

[Redux]

Yeah I'm not buying the Repubs are the devil and the Dems are only concerned with we the people schtick.  They are ALL benefiting from the extortion of healthcare, many of them have their hands in the pockets of insurance providers and supply companies either directly or in the dark.  Red or blue doesn't matter here.  They keep overruling changes eachother make BECAUSE fixing it would cost them Trillions of dollars.

[knapplc]

4 minutes ago, Redux said:

They are ALL benefiting from the extortion of healthcare, many of them have their hands in the pockets of insurance providers and supply companies either directly or in the dark.

 

This is a serious question - have you done any research on this or is this coming from your Liberal and Trump-loving friends?

[BigRedBuster]

22 minutes ago, Redux said:

Yeah I'm not buying the Repubs are the devil and the Dems are only concerned with we the people schtick.  They are ALL benefiting from the extortion of healthcare, many of them have their hands in the pockets of insurance providers and supply companies either directly or in the dark.  Red or blue doesn't matter here.  They keep overruling changes eachother make BECAUSE fixing it would cost them Trillions of dollars.

Well...that's interesting because one side keeps trying to do things that insurance companies are going to hate.  The other side keeps blocking it and putting out propaganda written by the healthcare industry to convince people the other side is bad.

 

There are people on both sides who have taken money from the Healthcare industry.  However, one side seems to be doing what they want while the other isn't.

 

 

[Redux]

3 hours ago, knapplc said:

 

This is a serious question - have you done any research on this or is this coming from your Liberal and Trump-loving friends?

 

I've looked, yes.  Members of both parties take money from big pharma and healthcare providers.  This isn't a secret conspiracy, this is fact.

[knapplc]

1 minute ago, Redux said:

 

I've looked, yes.  Members of both parties take money from big pharma and healthcare providers.  This isn't a secret conspiracy, this is fact.

 

You know not all of them do, right?

[BigRedBuster]

6 minutes ago, Redux said:

 

I've looked, yes.  Members of both parties take money from big pharma and healthcare providers.  This isn't a secret conspiracy, this is fact.

So, what you’re saying is that if both take the money, one side is willing to legislate against that money’s interests. 
 

ok. 

[Redux]

11 minutes ago, knapplc said:

You know not all of them do, right?

 

So that makes it okay for the ones that do?  So we should just ignore it because not ALL of them do?

 

Literally what I'm met with anytime I say s#!t like that.

 

6 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

So, what you’re saying is that if both take the money, one side is willing to legislate against that money’s interests. 
 

ok. 

 

Bruh....you've seriously gotta stop.  I said yesterday I'm done entertaining you trying to follow me around.